This one goes up to 11....

[gloomfang]

OK Stupid rules question time.

I have a Tyrant with Crush. Crush says that I roll 2D6 for Strength and 1D6 for AP. On a strength roll of 11 or 12 I autowound or pen if it is a vehicle.

Now I roll a 12 on strength while rolling a 2 for AP while targeting a rival Tyrant who is T6.

Do I.

1) ID the the rival Tyrant because I my attack is twice his strength and he can not make an armor save?

2) Just cause a wound because you can not go above S10.


Next game I am fighting a Nob on a bike (T5). I roll an 11 for strenght and AP1.

1) ID the Nob because I rolled higher than twice his T5 even if a I was forced to round down to 10.

2) Just cause a wound becasue a roll of 11 just says to do an automatic wound, but does not specify a strength.

Going to take me at least a year to get this stuff sorted out.

[swarm492]

Id say that the roll of 11 or 12 count as str ten because it wouldnt be rational for the two best rolls to be a huge nerf from say just rolling a flat ten, or a 9 even. Id say you auto wounded the tyrant but ID'ed the nob. I dont have the book atm or any proof for my claim, just how I would stand on it as a gamer.

[Geneva]

That's a tricky one. It depends heavily on whether the S(12?) attack is automatically wounding or if the automatic wound outright replaces the attack itself.

I'd have to look at the wording of the power again.

[gloomfang]

Jul 20, 2012 20:54:20 GMT Geneva said:

That's a tricky one. It depends heavily on whether the S(12?) attack is automatically wounding or if the automatic wound outright replaces the attack itself.

I'd have to look at the wording of the power again.

It says roll 2d6 for the strength of the attack. On a roll of 11 or 12 you automaticly wound or if the target is a vehicle you automaticly penitrate it.

[fleetofclaw]

I went through this with someone. It's strength 2d6 period, the auto wound / pen does not replace that. Of course we are capped at strength 10, however. The 11 and 12 give us auto penetrate so we don't have to roll for penetration, the auto wound is odd since I'm not aware of anything that wouldn't be wounded on a ten.

So wound tyrant, ID nob.

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[wisdomseyes1]

Isnt it just take a wound? Does the power not just describe what 11-12 means, not an actual going to S12 having no ability to go above 10

[fragile]

This is a curious question. The rules say that a model's characteristics cannot be raised above 10 (2), but Crush is a psychic power, not a characteristic. (422) (unless i missed something else somewhere)

I would say that Crush says that the Strength of the power is equal to the die roll. So in both cases I would say you ID'd the opponent hit with a set of lucky rolls.

fleetofclaw. Even with Str 10, a roll of a 1 will still not cause a wound.

[infornography]

The power obviously is putting in compensation for rolling above 10 because the strength cannot go above 10.

Wound in first scenario, ID in second.

[coredump]

As mentioned, there is no rule stopping a psy power from being more than S10. That limit is for model characteristics.

It is not clear if the Auto Wound is in addition to the Str roll, or in place of it. Or rather, it is clear; but different people will 'clearly' see different answers.

[Mindshred]

The book says that Characteristics (such as Strength) are ranked from 0-10, so Strength 11 and Strength 12 just don't exist, as far as the game is concerned.

[infornography]

I was under the impression that strength is a characteristic no matter where it shows up.

[coredump]

Characteristics are specifically used to describe models.

[TheContortionist]

i came for the title.

what is crush? where are the rules for it? do you mean smash?

It is strength 10 and they get their invo. and feel no pain because Ap.2

I am having a hard time following you. but i am half asleep.

[coredump]

Crush is a BRB Psy power.

[fragile]

Well, I get the feeling this another poorly worded example of a rule. Pg 50 states that If a weapon has a fixed Strength, i.e. a number between 1 and 10, this is the Strength of the attacks made with that weapon. It doesnt put a limit on the Str, but sort of implies it and Crush doesnt do anything to clarify it.