Stupid Tyranid tricks in 6th

[gloomfang]

Jul 18, 2012 13:50:58 GMT maeloke said:

Gloom: the probability of going 6” with a fleet, move through cover unit is 1-(5/6)^4, or roughly 52%. Good odds, but hardly the guarantee you’d like to think of it as.

Ahh. I see my mistake. Fleet does not allow rerolls on standard movements.

The Hormaguants still stand as is for thier run.

[biomassbob]

5) Even stupider: Hormagaunts have Move through Cover, Fleet and Bounding Leap. So when running through Difficult Terrain they roll 4D6 and can re-roll any of the die. (Statisticly 8/6 chance of getting a 6).

How are hormies getting 4d6? bounding leap does nothing for movement phase so hormies get 3d6 like other units with move thru cover (and they cannot re-roll any of the dice for movement - fleet only allows re-roll on run and assault rolls). For a run roll they get 3d6 and with fleet can re-roll any of the dice. If this is wrong please provide the page refs in the 6th edition book.

[Soluncreed]

I'm confused about the Hive Guard. Can someone please explain it to me. Because based on what I'm reading, they took a huge hit that doesn't allow them to do something that makes them incredibly good.

[nurglitch]

Basically Hive Guard could shoot at units outside of line-of-sight, and gloomfang is complaining that their ability to shoot at units outside of line-of-sight is pointless when casualties must be taken from target-unit models in line-of-sight of the Hive Guard. I would think that Hive Guard could continue to shoot at units outside of line-of-sight, and the closest models in the unit would be removed, but maybe it's a legitimate problem.

[1b2a]

I'd say hive guard rules are implied to count the extra wounds on squads you can't see. Codex>Rulebook. If somebody doesn't let you, I would take the trouble of rolling my to hit and distributing the wounds to nobody just to make fun of them being an ass.

[squash]

I'm still stuck on these insane statistics, they make no sense.

[gloomfang]

If hormagaunts Run through cover they get 3d6 for bounding lead and anouther D6 for move through cover. Fleet then let's you reroll and of your run dice.

[Geneva]

Your probability is a bit off. Even if you were to roll 6D6, the odds of getting a 6 on any of them isn't guaranteed. You merely have six 1-in-6 chances. My probability is a bit rusty (read: defunct) but if I remember the formula right, that's roughly a 72% chance of rolling a 6.

[fragile]

In regards to the Hive Guard. I would argue that the "regardless of whether there is line of sight or not" would trump that "Out of Sight" rule. But I can see how some are going to argue it.

[biomassbob]

gloomfang - Did you even read my post? I guess I should have said - please read over 'Bounding Leap' from the dex; 'Move through Cover' and 'Fleet' in the rulebook because they do not work they way you think.

If hormagaunts move through cover in the movement phase they get to roll 3d6 instead of 2d6 because they have Move through Cover (pg 40 rulebook) - that's it! Bounding Leap only gives the hormagaunt the ability to roll 3 dice for the run roll rather than 1 die (pg 38 dex) - nothing else. Move through Cover does not say you get an extra die for a 'run' roll - only when you 'move' which is the Movement Phase. Since a unit/model does not have to worry about difficult terrain when rolling to run (pg 14) 'Move through Cover' clearly to me does not apply in any way to running.

And since Fleet only applies to running and charging distance rolls it is also not a factor in the movement phase when 'Move through Cover' applies. For running, yes it allows hormies to re-roll any or all of the dice for running and charge distances which is great. There is no 4th die anywhere I can see.

This is by the rules for those abilities. If there is a FAQ/errata I've missed or some rule in the 6th edition rulebook that overrides this by all means please tell me where it is.

[nurglitch]

I think the notion was that difficult terrain causes units to roll an extra D6 and discard the highest, the thing being that units that Run in the Shooting phase ignore difficult terrain.

[gloomfang]

Jul 18, 2012 19:41:19 GMT nurglitch said:

I think the notion was that difficult terrain causes units to roll an extra D6 and discard the highest, the thing being that units that Run in the Shooting phase ignore difficult terrain.

Ahh. Missed that. Good to know. Spending to much time reading on wound allocation and psykers and not enough on movement I guess.

[firefash]

mind Hormagaunts still have great potential for running, since you can "reroll one or more" dice, if you don't roll a 6 on the first 3 dive keep a 5 and reroll the other two, if you roll all ones reroll the lot ect. being able to keep the higher numbered dice greatly increases your odds on the reroll, often you risk a worse result on a reroll but not so much with Fleet.

Still our threat range odds have been reduced by the new rules for Hormaguants possibly adding a extra turn before we get the charge in so no matter how good they are at running they can't assault that turn.

[wisdomseyes1]

5) Even stupider: Hormagaunts have Move through Cover, Fleet and Bounding Leap. So when running through Difficult Terrain they roll 4D6 and can re-roll any of the die. (Statisticly 8/6 chance of getting a 6).

please enlighten me on how you arrived ata number greater than 100% for dice roll chances.

[gloomfang]

Jul 19, 2012 6:02:33 GMT wisdomseyes1 said:

5) Even stupider: Hormagaunts have Move through Cover, Fleet and Bounding Leap. So when running through Difficult Terrain they roll 4D6 and can re-roll any of the die. (Statisticly 8/6 chance of getting a 6).

please enlighten me on how you arrived ata number greater than 100% for dice roll chances.

I made a mistake in the number of dice rolled. Also I used Statistically when I was referring to the odds. 8 rolls with a 1/6 chance of getting a 6.