Genestealers in spores?

[squash]

Something we'd never consider in 5th, but does it have a place in 6th? To me the updated outflank rules means I won't be doing it with genestealers, but deep striking in with a giant piece of cover that shoots doesn't sound insane to me.

[paxmiles]

Jul 17, 2012 19:02:03 GMT squash said:

Something we'd never consider in 5th, but does it have a place in 6th? To me the updated outflank rules means I won't be doing it with genestealers, but deep striking in with a giant piece of cover that shoots doesn't sound insane to me.

New outflanking rules could be viable if you roll the right psychic power on the broodlord...

Otherwise, yeah, I agree.

Genestealers for me, will either infiltrate or find alternate means of arrival (gate, trygon tunnels, so forth).
-Pax

[reallysorry]

It does not sound insane but you have to ask yourself will they do better than dropping the same spore with devilgaunts? The same spore will cover the gaunts it will shoot and the gaunts will get to shoot also so i'm not convinced ...

[Xantige]

I never really got around to using outflank (1000 point armies on a 6x4 board, if they came in on either side it'd take ages for them to make it anywhere). Frankly, if I want Genestealers to appear in the middle of the board somewhere, I'd take Ymgarls. However, I understand that the Elite slot is often filled with other things.... I think it's an interesting idea.... it'd work if you could assault right out of the pod, but I don't remember if you can or not. If you can't, than I think reallysorry has a point.

[coredump]

The comparison isn't stealers vs gaunts; it is walking stealers vs outflanking stealers vs infiltrate steales vs spore stealers.

Can't say spore is much worse than the others... but it is another 40pts. Or you could add 3 more stealers and come in another way.

[squash]

I really love spores, I'm of the philosophy that the more spores I can bring in the better. But that might be pretty faulty.

[paxmiles]

I suppose it boils down to what you intend to use the stealers for. If running a pure stealer list, having a spore or two for later game stealer entry and allowing them to claim objectives, it may have merit.

I do think that if your just looking for rending, a pod filled with warriors with rending and a shooting attack is probably a better plan than stealers in a pod.

Tyranids do have some new potential of taking a psychic power set and a bare broodlord squad (4 stealers and the BL) and a spore pod, to lay down some drop psychic attacks. Not sure if this one has any merit with our three disciplines. Could be a nice combo in an army that features drop zoans too.
-Pax

[kurbutti]

I've tried running Spored Genestealers in 6th edition couple of times. They're fun, but you better get them into proper cover once they hit the ground. So the best place to drop them would be an objective hidden within ruins. Running helps here, especially now that Fleet allows you to re-roll the die. If they start catching too many bullets, Go To Ground, if you're not in Synapse.

If you get caught in the open, you're dead. And there goes your 300+ points.

[coredump]

**300 pts** How many stealers are you putting in that pod??

[kurbutti]

20. ;D The bare minimum... Better to have enough bodies in there, lest they all get shot to pieces.

[fnorrll]

Paxmiles raises a good point tho- trygon tunnels now? Cant assault upon arrival but cant outflanking anyway... does that make the tunnel like a more precise outflank? You can come up right in the middle of your opponents DZ with a trygon or two, then back that up with stealers following up for a sustained backfield assault...potentially one or both of those trygons might still be there to take fire when the stealers come in.

In fact, throw in a couple of ymgarls as well...you might be delivering a conveyor belt full of difficult choices for your opponent over the first couple of turns...

[kurbutti]

Only problem is that the stuff you want to come from the tunnel is likely to arrive on its own before the tunnel would become active.

[nomack000]

Why would you put them in a pod? Infiltrators do not arrive randomly, both cannot assault, and you are paying more points for the pod. Really seems pointless.

It did not have a place before and i still dont think it does. Sick other things like termies and warriors in pods if you must. Don't do that to your poor genestealers.

[fnorrll]

Good point, even if the trygon comes in turn one, you'd still be looking at a turn 3 assault with the stealers... hmmm...

[kurbutti]

Trygon would come in turn 2... Tunnel becomes active at turn 3... Units emerging cannot assault the turn they come... At turn 4, your stealers can assault! ;D

Just forget it man