Ymgarls: Genestealers recycled?

[depletor [H5ed]]

Hey all,

a long time since my last thread here, the 6th Edition might change it.

I want to use ymgarls now as an elite slot is free because of the nerved venomthropes -.-

Amazing: T+1 when attacking and the good save vs overwatch.

A rule question:
In german forums, people do not agree on whether ymgarls are allowed to charge when they appear. I say the can! What is the consesus here?

Thanks for your help!

[webebuggin]

It states quite clearly they can assault after awaking from dormant if you chose to deploy them as dormant. This rule is neither outflank or infiltrate and is spelled out clearly in the codex. There should be no debate.

[depletor [H5ed]]

The discussion is lead by people with a good knowledge of the rules, being high end tournament players and by reading and interpreting the rules word by word.

This is because I ask. I totally agree with you.

[Elof Valantor]

The new rule book still has the line saying codex takes precedence, so there should be no debate.

[reallysorry]

Jul 14, 2012 9:37:49 GMT depletor [H5ed] said:

The discussion is lead by people with a good knowledge of the rules, being high end tournament players and by reading and interpreting the rules word by word.

This is because I ask. I totally agree with you.

This statement is just wrong on so many points ...

[depletor [H5ed]]

please explain, I don't get what you mean.

EDIT, to add some content: The new rules for reserve rolls are an amazing buff to all units coming from reserve. It could be a good way to give tyranids a unique playstyle. I thinking of Devilgaunts in pods here as well.

[Bot]

Well , since putting Devilgaunts in pods are no longer that penalizing. (I'm looking at you old killpoint mission), I might put the devils in pods once again.

And depletor [H5ed], show them the Dormant rule at page 61. of the Tyranid codex, under Ymgarls. That should make them them come to their senses. Ymgarls can assault after arriving.

[Geneva]

I know that sometimes codexes in different languages offer up slightly different possible interpretations of the same rule but the Dormant rule in the Ymgarl's entry clearly states, or at least in the English version, that:

"The Ymgarl Genestealers can move and assault normally in the same turn they arrived."

Codex trumps Rulebook due to Advanced>Basic. The rule specifically states that they can assault despite arriving from reserves. There's really no way to argue otherwise.

Hope that helped. Welcome back by the way!

[omnivore]

I am liking these guys a lot. Assault from reserves, T5/4+ to protect them from overwatch, plus all the other aspects of genestealers. Pity they cant take toxin sacs or a Broodlord though.

[reallysorry]

Broodlord on Ymgarls would be OP tbh.

[fleetofclaw]

Man I'd kill to be able to put toxin sacs on ymgarls. The lack of TS makes the extra swings or +1 strength sort of a wash when killing MEQ. I've only used them a handful of times, maybe I'll give them a go, but player set terrain could limit them.

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[coredump]

Depletor:
BRB p.7 last paragraph: Explains that codex 'trump' BRB.

Nid Dex: states very clearly that the Yealers can move and assault the turn they come in.

There really is no room for debate on the issue... not sure what argument they could be putting forth on the topic.

[gloomfang]

I have heard the arguement from WAAC players. Its the word normal that they are trying to twist. They say it is a loophole from 5th to 6th. It say "can assault as normal" they argue that means it can assualt like a normal unit arriving from reserves. You could in 5th can't in 6th. Most people take it that "normal" to mean"a unit already on the board".
Most people agree that a normal unit is one in play.

[depletor [H5ed]]

I am so happy to hear you all being sure!

The argument is the following: "They can move and attack normally" because they come in as reserve (5th rules). "Normally" is written there, because the are not coming from the classic rulebook reserve, obviously this was written to make clear it is no deep strike. In the 6th edition there is no more attacking from reserve. So the argument is: come in normally and attack normally as you are coming in from the reserve as described in the rulebook.

I really do not share this interpretation! But that is it.

Sorry again if the text is clumsy.

[ZergLord]

It's also stated in the rules for reserves that a unit can assault after comming from reserves if it has a special rule that allows it.