Crushing Claws sequencing?

[nurglitch]

Presumably you'll want to prep them for the charge the same way that we always did in 5th edition. Except instead of immobilizing or stunning them, you just want to scrape a few hull points off so a passing monster can mop them up.

[romorini]

There's also using fancy deployment tricks like Outflank and Deepstrike to limit your enemy's movement options. Your pure-assault MC's threat range is 8-18". The odds are in another thread, but a threat is a threat, and you really don't need to worry about Overwatch, as they are limited to firepoints from transports, and walkers. It's a solid reward with a very manageable risk.

[webebuggin]

Fex with claws and talons is not a terrible deal, as with adrenal that's a lot of Str 10 attacks, but tervigon is better for now than regular fex EXCEPT it cannot be in a squad, where running two fex actually does more in some ways than two individual tervigon because of new wound tricks and being able to run with a prime. never underestimate a prime with two escort fex surrounded by hordes of gants. To many threats to handle lol

[Talonis]

Jul 15, 2012 15:31:07 GMT fragile said:

Thing to think about. The bigger tanks, AV13, AV14, wont be "automatically wrecked". You still have to roll 4+ to glance/pen the tank. Even with rerolls odds are your not going to take 3 or 4 hull points in 1 turn.

How many vehicles do you come up against which have AV13 or 14 on the rear? This is why I said most vehicles will be destroyed.

Fex has 5 attacks on the charge, at least getting a 10 for Armour pen, meaning 5 hull points down. Not too many vehicles (if any?) have 5 hull points.

Of course Landraiders have Av 14 and Demolishers 11, but the vast majority of tanks will be instantly wrecked.

[coredump]

Land raiders, Belials speeder, and various dreadnaughts.

[TheContortionist]

If you are going to run a fex: First of all it is a bad idea,don't do it. If you have convinced yourself it is a good idea... Do not take crushing claws. Two twinlinked Devourers are the way to go. With hull points now, you can glance anything with armor 12 or less to death. If your argument is: well, i am going against land raiders, i need my crushing clawcarnifex to get into combat with it, you need to wake up. that thing will be dead before you can blink your eyes. Sure, you can take them in squads. Let us not forget the the real problem here, Points. They are too many points. To anyone that still thinks this is a good idea: take carnifex all you want. have fun. I hope you are a good sport, because you will be loosing.

[Shadowwolf]

Jul 16, 2012 7:57:24 GMT TheContortionist said:

If you are going to run a fex: First of all it is a bad idea,don't do it. If you have convinced yourself it is a good idea... Do not take crushing claws. Two twinlinked Devourers are the way to go. With hull points now, you can glance anything with armor 12 or less to death. If your argument is: well, i am going against land raiders, i need my crushing clawcarnifex to get into combat with it, you need to wake up. that thing will be dead before you can blink your eyes. Sure, you can take them in squads. Let us not forget the the real problem here, Points. They are too many points. To anyone that still thinks this is a good idea: take carnifex all you want. have fun. I hope you are a good sport, because you will be loosing.

I beg to differ! I've been running a list with two tyrants, 4 fexes, tervigon and trygon with success for at least two years. Sure, I've had my fair share of thunderhammer madness, but in the end I've enjoyed the challenge of playing such a list and that reward in itself is a victory!
The trick of the list is to stay in general cover and make the enemy choose which MCs to target. Then at turn 2 or 3 you go target saturation and rush everything out into the open (usually when the trygon arrives, flyrant deepstrikes and tervigon comes outflanking as well!) and the enemy is suddengly knee-deep in trouble. On the paper it might look significantly weaker than other lists, but warhammer is so much more than list building.

Plus, the carnifex is the most gorgeous model GW ever released. You get cred for fielding good looking minis, and the dice godess will smile on you (sometimes).

Shadowwolf

[TheContortionist]

you're not differing from me that much i feel. i understand the bad-ass factor behind them. They look amazing. I bring my carnifex a lot more than most Tyranid players. I have all scything talons on my 3 (pointy. ah zing. get it. they are really pointy and cost to many points.) The (please do not swear) people talk about them give them a bad ass factor and bringing them is fun. Bio-PLasma is ap3.that kills space marines....The bad WS, Initiative and less wounds than other choices keep it out of most my games. but i do own a few and bring them in if i feel like being a bad ass and playing with BRUTAL models. cheers

[nurglitch]

Bio-Plasma is AP2.

[coredump]

You have completely neglected their ability to team with a Prime for wound allocation games.
And being able to put out that much firepower, and still be dangerous in CC.... nice combination.

[nurglitch]

Speaking of which, has any hash been made of Hive Tyrants, Tyrant Guard, and the former behaving like Independent Characters, in that they get Look Out, Sir! on 2+?

[coredump]

I don't understand the question.

[nurglitch]

It's explained in the FAQ, so no wonder nobody has mentioned it. Taking a Carnifex brood with Regenerate and a Tyranid Prime with Regenerate should be fun. Add in a Spore Cloud and Catalyst, and they'll absorb stupid amounts of firepower.

[coredump]

Check out the next Bat Rep Hyv3mynd puts up....

[nurglitch]

Go on...