Tervigon Upgrades

[jbrown]

Jul 10, 2012 3:46:21 GMT infornography said:

The rules explicitly state that you always multiply or divide before you add or subtract.

You halve, then you add the attacks for assault and crushing claws. Makes Crushing Claws pretty awesome now.

Infornography,
I know people in my gaming group will want me to point this out to them. Is this stated in the main rule book? And could you please reference the page? I just want to make sure I have it right when I try to explain it to the guys in my group.

I did find the part about halving the attack characteristic with the "Smash" USR. Just curious about the multiply or divide before adding or subtracting part.

Thanks again for the help

[WestRider]

Page 2, Multiple Modifiers.

[jbrown]

Thanks WestRider

[killme304]

Jul 10, 2012 12:20:26 GMT nurglitch said:

killme304:

Where is it written that Acid Blood only affects a maximum of 6 wounds caused on the Tervigon? I can't find it in the FAQ, and I haven't done my close-reading of the rulebook yet.

Remember, Acid Blood causes Glancing hits on vehicles, and ignores armour, and that's pretty good, especially if it cancels out a wound in combat in favour of the Tyranids.

General:

Has anyone worked out the odds of getting favorable psychic powers when trading in? I'm more inclined to think that the specific Tervigon powers should be more useful. Or at least reliable.

You glance walkers on a 4+, and its an initiative test for other things. They are not auto wounds.

I can't seem to find it, but I know there was a wound allocation thing in 6th that does not allow you to do more than a models maximum wounds. That's why we had the challenges discussion in another thread.

For a Tervigon with 3 powers, you get 3 of the 6 biomancy powers. Only a few of them are not that great for a tervigon. That means that you should always have at least one power worth using, and you can only use one per turn anyway.

The only time I wouldn't roll Biomancy, is if I knew I needed to Onslaught to get something in range of my guns, which with a Flyrant in most of my lists, isn't something I will need very often.

[nurglitch]

killme304:

Yes, it's not automatic hits, but it is an automatic wound. So it's a 5+ for I4, and 4+ for I3, and 3+ for I2. Against I3 that's better than the Tervigon's own attacks, which hit on 4+ almost always and wound on 2+ at best. If each wound caused on the Tervigon causes a wound on its attackers, then the combat favours the Tyranids.

I'll have to read the thread on challenges, I suppose.

Given the hints of movement towards plasma weapons, I expect that Feel No Pain will remain useful despite moving from 1/2 to 1/3 of wounds ignored because the overall number of wounds inflicted will increase from AP1 & 2 weapons, power weapons, and so on. Catalyst and Regeneration will make a Tervigon pretty reliably survivable.

Dominion, I think I've touched on it, but I'm expecting it to shine a bit more in this edition thanks to the absence of No Retreat, and the new Rage special rule.

The absence of No Retreat is going to make stuff like Toxic Miasma, Nurgle's Rot, and other mass-death effects more relevant as people start seeing the potential in massed mobs of Orks, broods of Termagants, squads of Chaos Space Marines, and Imperial Guard Platoons, and so on.

[coredump]

Jul 10, 2012 15:04:14 GMT WestRider said:

Page 2, Multiple Modifiers.

In addition, the Smash Attack rule uses the exact term "attacks characteristic".

p. 2-3 says that the models 'characteristics' are the values in their written profile.

So it says to halve that number......

[liquid405]

Jul 9, 2012 23:09:47 GMT Davor said:

Thanks, why I thought that part was changed, I am not sure. So what do you use them on? Raveners, Gaunts? Currious since I never used it, maybe I want to try it out for something I never done before.

Raveners with Deathspitters do well with it. It helps for getting around to the side armor.

Its important to note that this ability is pretty garbage in most situations. Its a shooting attack...which means you cannot shoot anything else in that round, OR declare a charge.

[WestRider]

Jul 11, 2012 2:07:11 GMT liquid405 said:

Jul 9, 2012 23:09:47 GMT Davor said:

Thanks, why I thought that part was changed, I am not sure. So what do you use them on? Raveners, Gaunts? Currious since I never used it, maybe I want to try it out for something I never done before.

Raveners with Deathspitters do well with it. It helps for getting around to the side armor.

Its important to note that this ability is pretty garbage in most situations. Its a shooting attack...which means you cannot shoot anything else in that round, OR declare a charge.

Both of which are totally fine for a Tärv that's running in the second wave, still in a support Role. Less useful in the context of the TärviFex concept, but for a Tärv that's not getting stuck in, it's really not giving up that much in most cases.

[killme304]

Jul 10, 2012 17:33:27 GMT killme304 said:

I can't seem to find it, but I know there was a wound allocation thing in 6th that does not allow you to do more than a models maximum wounds. That's why we had the challenges discussion in another thread.

Found it, Page 26, 2nd column, third paragraph.