Snapshooting Tyrants?

[fleetofclaw]

Don't forget MCs cause fear now too. But I don't think there is even a question that 2x tl devs are fantastic overwatch weapons. Despite the bad luck of an above poster we should be pulling off 3-4 hits, most of those should wound (*especially * if you have OA).

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[ferro]

So if you (perhaps foolishly) upgrade your tyrant with Indescribable Horror, then if an enemy unit fails the IH test you don't get to fire overwatch on them? Or do you think you still get to overwatch them even though the assault is already failed?

[carnogaunt]

Jul 10, 2012 3:23:17 GMT ferro said:

So if you (perhaps foolishly) upgrade your tyrant with Indescribable Horror, then if an enemy unit fails the IH test you don't get to fire overwatch on them? Or do you think you still get to overwatch them even though the assault is already failed?

Well, technically both Overwatch and IH are triggered by declaring the charge. So I suppose you could say that you would have an opportunity for Overwatch no matter which is resolved first.

I'd like another opinion though. Maybe ask Coredump? He seems to have his head wrapped around 6th Ed.

Edit- Whichever way it works, Indescribable Horror has always been a bit pricey for what it does. Most of the units that would want to charge a Hive Tyrant will have high leadership and/or a way to become Fearless.

[coredump]

Jul 10, 2012 4:39:43 GMT carnogaunt said:

I'd like another opinion though. Maybe ask Coredump? He seems to have his head wrapped around 6th Ed.

Edit- Whichever way it works, Indescribable Horror has always been a bit pricey for what it does. Most of the units that would want to charge a Hive Tyrant will have high leadership and/or a way to become Fearless.

Man..... I had planned on skipping this discussion. But when you get mention by Carnagaunt... youse gotsta respond....

(BTW Indescribably Horror is innate to HTs. 'The Horror' is one of the psy powers.)


Well... I am torn.

My first look through was that you would not overwatch; because they would have to check IH before making a charge.

But that didn't feel quite right either.... because there is no game mechanice of 'wishing' to do something. You can try and do it, or declare you want to do it... but you can't just 'think about it' or 'wish' to do it. (I mean, you can, but it doesn't mean anything in games terms.)

So the only way IH works, or makes sense in game terms, is if the unit needs to declare the assault. (Which is what shows, in game terms, that the unit 'wishes' to charge the HT.)

Once that declaration occurs, Overwatch happens 'immediately' and IH happens before he is allowed to actually assault.
*IF* you believe that indicates order, so it that way. Otherwise, it is up to the assaulting player (because its his turn) to determine order.
But it doesn't really matter, because both things will happen in either case.




BTW: 2LDev with OA against MEq, <4 hits, 3 wounds, 1 dead.

Helpful, but not much of a game changer. We have to get away from the idea that Overwatch is going to be much of a help against most armies.
It will help more against Orks, eldar, DE, IG. But most of those don't assault a whole lot.

[guidebot]

TL/ Devourers are really great for snapshots, I've been finding. Nothing beats it when your HT jinks out of fire, vector strikes some hapless unit and then unloads on another with the devs. Flyer ace!

I've been running LW&BS, TL Devs, Wings, Old Ad and (yes really) regeneration. It's been great.

[nurglitch]

It says: "Launch an assault" for Indescribable Horror, so I think the charge is declared, the Hive Tyrant gets its Overwatch, then the unit rolls for its Leadership to see if it can charge, and then its charge distance contingent upon being able to charge.