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[nurglitch]

Are vehicles still hit on their rear armour when they're assaulted? How do assaults against vehicles work now? What's the skinny on disembarking from a wrecked transport?

[Geneva]

Jun 28, 2012 13:57:10 GMT guidebot said:

AH HERE'S THE BAD NEWS. No units can charge when arriving from reserves unless otherwise stated.

So Outflank = no Charge.

You're kidding right? Because that means my entire 2,000pt Swarmlord list just went down the toilet.

Oh bother...

[warischoy]

Nidzilla is not back.

remember marines have krak grenades standard?

Yeah now they can hit us at strength 6 without a powerfist.

Also I disagree that poison is better. The most poison we use is on genestealers and gants with tevigon with furious charge. Now its useless as we don't get rerolls. Putting it on a carnifex is just wasting points.

Furious charge on gants and trygon is out the window. Swarm lord is out the window.

Looks like half our USR has gone out the window and the other half has been nerfed.

I guess it is time to sell my genestealers

[guidebot]

Sweeping adv: Same as 5th.

Vehicles in combat: Much easier to hit them now (BS1, 0 if not moved except walkers), still hit on rear in cc (unless walker). Glances count for 1 wound, pen for 2 for combat res.

[zephoid]

Im liking a lot. MCs get a big buff, but in all the right ways.
Edit: remember, harpy is still 2d6 pen (unless they changed this) averaging 12 pen on side armor, which is pretty much every vehicle


Can you look at the vehicle damage table? as 5th? glancing -2 still?
Is the table to hit moving vehicles still the same?
Is run in movement phase as rumored? does fleet still do the same thing?
Does rage add +2 to charge distance? Does it still have the same drawbacks?
What is ID now?
the psychic powers might be a bit complicated, but an interpreted explanation?
What are the AP on listed melee weapons? specifically chainswords, power weps, and wytchblades.
are cover saves 5+? and other changes with cover saves?
Rules for skimmers, fast skimmers, and fast vehicles? i imagine with all those new rules skimmers may be able to fly or something of the like?
What happens to transports if killed in assault phase? are the guys inside considered locked?
Im guessing snapshot is hit on 6s and skyfire is to ignore that?
Assaulting out of vehicles still the same?
Deepstike+ assault?


Sorry for so many unstructured questions, i just thought about different parts of the game that were rumored to be changing.

[N.I.B.]

Thanks guidebot, nice to have a book keeper here on TTH

But please read carefully before you post stuff like 'you can only reserve half your units rounding up'. Unit that must be put in reserves (Ymgarls, Lictors, everything in Mycetic Spores and more) can all do so. That is a HUGE difference.

So you're saying that poison and S=T can't reroll to wound anymore. Wow, that's quite a nerf for Termagants and Genestealers, basically a nerf to poison, regardless of M poison getting a small buff for MC's.

And wow, Vector Strike is really (please do not swear). Harpy gets on average 2 S5 hits against sidearmour. Not likely to do anything at all, and must sacrifice shooting one weapon. GW goes trollololol!

Does a Hive Tyrant with wings counts as a 'Flyer'? And if he does, can I chose to deploy him as normal or does he have to start in reserve?

I also like to know if there are any of the new missions that disallow reserves?

Can we finally get a consolidate move after popping a vehicle in close combat?

Can we now use Preferred Enemy to hit vehicles in combat?

[nurglitch]

nib has a good question; How does combat resolution affect vehicles?

[ikterus]

Jun 28, 2012 14:06:00 GMT warischoy said:

Also I disagree that poison is better. The most poison we use is on genestealers and gants with tevigon with furious charge. 1.Now its useless as we don't get rerolls. Putting it on a carnifex is just wasting points.

2.Furious charge on gants and trygon is out the window. 3.Swarm lord is out the window.

1. As far as I can see we still get a re roll when attackers strength is equal to or higher than the defenders.

2. Why? We still get S +1 and have higher I than most opponent allready. We generally have higher I than our opponent and now they can't raise their I by FC so this is a plus in my book.

3. Please explain why. I've never used him so I don't see why he's out.

[warischoy]

The thing is it doesn't matter if some units can be in reserve that bypasses the 50 percent rule. Because those that do are now useless.

Ymgarls can't charge when they come in. Harpies are still bad. Lictors are still bad.

Trygons and termagants are i4 and so to strike before space marines they need the extra initiative. Trygons need it against power swords and gants need it to minimise damage.

Swarm lord has a special rule called alien cunning which is now pointless as I don't see outflank being used.

Swarm leader is pointless as acute senses cannot be given to a unit on The board as it helps reserve outflank rolls.

Furious charge is used to give gants or trygon or genestealers the extra initiative. To strike before marines and halberds.

As we are a close combat army. Preferred enemy has been nerfed for us.

Now the swarm lord is less survivable than it was and is also weaker in combat. Also worst as a support unit.

[N.I.B.]

zephiod, the vehicle damage table is as the old one, minus 1.
Vehicles standing still are hit automatically and have WS1 if the moved (regardless how far).
Fleet as we knew it is gone. You cannot run and charge in the same turn anymore. Fleet just allow you to reroll a dice for either run or charge distance.
Rage never was +2 to charge distance, you were corrected a week or two ago but I guess you didn't bother to read. It is +2 attacks on the charge, but not in addition to the normal +1 to charge.
ID haven't changed.
cover saves are 5+.

These are all well known at this time.

[guidebot]

Nib: My bad; keboard doesnt have a equal to or greater than sign. S=T will still re-roll on poison.

All missions have the reserves special rule.

It would be insane for flyrant not to be a flying MC though it is not so in the back of the book (likely because reflects unupgraded tyrant). If anyone has a problem with this, slap them in the face with a wet fish.

Veh assault: No consolidate. No pile in. No sweeping ad. Vehicles are just WS based now (0-1 if not walker) so pref enemy will allow re-roll of 1s to hit (no to wound roll to re-roll).

[nurglitch]

Interesting that Preferred enemy went from Dual Scything Talons equivalent to Scything Talons.

[N.I.B.]

Jun 28, 2012 14:20:29 GMT warischoy said:

The thing is it doesn't matter if some units can be in reserve that bypasses the 50 percent rule. Because those that do are now useless.

You mean in 6th edition you can't shoot when you arrive after deepstrike? I'd like to see a source on that.

Ymgarl's can charge when they arrive because they have a special rule that explicitly allow them to charge when they arrive, as guidebot said - 'unless otherwise mentioned'.

[guidebot]

Vehicle combat res appears only to be for multi-combats; I cant find any mention of it affecting them (even walkers).

Nurg: Scytal with a re-roll1s to wound...

[nurglitch]

We all make mistakes, especially when this is a first glance at the rulebook rather than the result of scholarship or in-depth study. Plenty of time for that later though.