salamaders & imperial fist

[impire113]

i am looking for information on salamanders and imperial fists. can someone tell me there cons and pros

[CylonDorado]

Well, I'm not sure about gameplay, but in the fluff I know the fists are masters of defence, and that salamanders use a lot of flamers. I would go for fists, because I don't think flamers are that useful a lot of the time.

[koran]

Salamanders also use alot of meltaguns, which are very handy.

[happybean]

You can find there fluff in old WDs, in the index astartes books, chaptor approved or internet has pdf.

For the game play salamanders used to have their own official list, with special gear, psychic power a special character, chaplain xavier.

I use to collect them, but gave them away with the new codex, because their old list was nulified by the new codex. Salamander use a lot of flamers/melltas/storm hammers/termies (5 points cheaper than codex)/landraidrers/crusaders/ and all sorts of HS with no limit, but all their fast attacks where 0-1 choises.

They all had -1 initiative, fall back/pursue -1 move. They nether had to pass all on your own tests and had the "never give up" rule, wich say that if the game has ended, the salamander player can opt, if he wants to, to play for another full turn (each players). And this full turn is
fully official (this turn can change the outcome of the game/mission), wether it's a fixed length game or finshes randomly.

Their master crafted weapons were also cheaper by a third, artificer armour could be bought by non-independant characters (such as apothecaries or vets for three quarter of the price, independant characters still paid the same price) and any characters could have a signum (not just techmarines).
They had access to salamander mantles, reinforced ceramite (vehicules) and the fury of the salamander psychic power.
Vulcan were their primarch and Tu'shan is their chapter master.

II would like to right more for you, but i'm a lazy git.

[omalley69]

hmm yes...true...

salamanders uses meltas and flamers, wear yellow suits and hmm lack long range lascannons as i see it...melta guns are only 12" range...and flamers somewhat 7.5" i think.

Imperial fists move forward when they are shot...quite an unique ability...and i belive that they have the grue grit ability (2 cc attacks with a bolter). They have a very nice hq choice, the imperors champion, hes somewhat 80 points plus hounors. And they can give the entire army prefered enemy and so on...They are very interesting with the move forward when shot ability.

(if they get shot in the enemys shooting phase, they move 6" forward. Making them able to advance with firing heavy weapons )


as said, the salamanders uses termis and has a termi hq that makes them deep strik together , only rooling 1 D6 for reserves with a reroll

[happybean]

What D6 reserves with a reroll are you on about?

The "move forward when you've been shot dead" rule, i find strange, and a little too overpowering to be real. Are you sure you're talkiing about Imperial guards?

Because true grit+move and fire with a heavybolter sounds more like a deathwatch unit with a heavy bolter with suspensions and hellfire rounds. Wich, by the way, is not official.
And old SM rules are not legal anymore (if i can recall), with the new system they did with the new codex.

[thepuritan]

i play Imperial Fists...

their color is yellow... wich says "hi, i'm here to kick your butt. i don't care that you've seen me coming for the past lightyear; you won't be able to stop me."

their traits make it so you can give your Devastators and/or Tactical Squads the Tank Hunter skill... and their weakness is that, at the end of the game, your opponent can request that another full turn be played.

they also have Captain Lysander who can be borderline-broken in a lot of games.
he lets you bring down up to 10 Assault Cannons, anywhere on the table, on the second turn.

[omalley69]

happybean said:

What D6 reserves with a reroll are you on about?

The "move forward when you've been shot dead" rule, i find strange, and a little too overpowering to be real. Are you sure you're talkiing about Imperial guards?

Because true grit+move and fire with a heavybolter sounds more like a deathwatch unit with a heavy bolter with suspensions and hellfire rounds. Wich, by the way, is not official.
And old SM rules are not legal anymore (if i can recall), with the new system they did with the new codex.

Dude, you have misread a part of the tread...imperial FISTS...not guard...

i have played against both races, so yes, im very positive about what ive said. But do correct me if im wrong.

And not shot dead. If a squad of imprerial fists marines get hit by the enemy missile fire, (in the opponenets turn) they are alloowed to move forward. It whouldnt matter if they got killed. But the once that are left after getting hit are allowed to move 6" forward in the enemys shooting phase.

Im NOT talking about moving with a heavy weapon and firering it at the same time. Im talking about the option to stand still and fire a heavy weapon. Then get shot in the enemys turn, and move in hi8s turn. Acting as youve moved and fired a heavy weapon.

[happybean]

Sorry, i have writen IG instead of Imperial fists, but i was still talking about them.
This rule your talking about is weird. It's to overpowering for my taste and i can't see the relation with their fluff. They are more the standing still with resolute determination to let no one pass kind, than storming vikings running like maniacs even when they are being shot at. That sounds more like a bunch of hungry Flesh tearers having a bad trip about their primarch.

[Folken]

This d6 move sounds like what the Black Templar have going for them....Rightous Zeal I believe its called. Don't quote me on this as I don't know that much about SM,yet, but to the best of my knowledge Imperial Fists don't have this move.

[bob14gs]

Yeah, it is the black templars special rule. I think it is that they have to move towards their closest enemy unit if they take at least one casualty. I think omalley was confused a few posts up casue salamanders wear green, and imperial fists wear yellow.

[Shas'o Tash'var Kais Pat]

Also the Emperor's Champion is a Black Templars character, not Imperial fists

[happybean]

bob14gs
He could be colour blind too.
And automaticly move towards the closest unit, even if it's an acid spore mine field sounds, dreadfull..., but hilarious for the nid player!
@shas'o tash'what ever kais pat
The Emperor's champion still doesn't take up an HQ slot in the new codex? Like in the old dex?I haven't read their new codex.

[krakenfiend]

Ok...I can't stand by and watch as you guys slander the Imperial Fists. The Imperial Fists are a codex Army with one exception: They can give tank hunters to almost all of their units...that means their squads can have TH Lascannons...or multimeltas...or plasma guns...Do not confuse them with The Black Templars who operate under a different combat doctrine (run at them and chop their heads off). The Templars are a second founding of the Imperial Fists...and so are the Crimson Fists for that matter. The special HQ for the Imperial Fists is Captain Lysander...nothing super special about him unless you are using a lot of terminators....then he becomes a little nasty...

krakenfiend

[happybean]

@my kraky friend
Stop moaning.
I'm not the one slendering your precious sons of Dorn. I was merely posting about the salamander bit, when this weird danish guy posted those obscure rules about the Imperial fists, wich were in fact BT (in yellow disguise) rules and not even the proper rules for them.

Where did you find those rules for the IF? I hope they're still legal?
Hey, i know about Lysander (you even have a picture of him has your signature) and i know all of the second foundings of the IF legion as a matter of fact.
I've started playing when the Validictors where still 1st founding legion you know.
Lysander isn't very good, same as cortez (CF) or even xavier (salamander).
Bah, there are way more fun armies than space marines in general.
Take nids for exemple.