Blast Templates

[Hive Fleet Phantom]

With blast templates if you are shooting at a unit and there is an IC right next to that unit but not attached to it are you able to place the template so that the IC is hit?

[rfly]

Simple answer: Yes.
Long answer: It depends. The restrictions are it must be centered over a models head, and other usual targetting restrictions. If you can place it to touch more than one unit, good for you.

[Hive Fleet Phantom]

Yeah that is what I did. I had the blast template from the Barbed Strangler over a unit of lootas and the template touched his Mek with the shock attack gun. The center hole was over a loota and it got a partial on the shock attack gun. So needless to say no more shock attack gun.

[eclipse2kgt]

Did the mek have anyone else in his squad or was it just him?

[Hive Fleet Phantom]

it was just him

[eclipse2kgt]

Than yes, as stated above you are correct.

[invictus]

I think it depends. Was there more loota's that were not hit by the blast. If there was then no you cannot.

[coredump]

Why not? I don't see anything dictating that for blast weapons.

Template weapons do....

[invictus]

Well you cannot snipe hvy weapons or special characters. So if the IC is not the closest unit to you, and there is more lootas that you can hit in the group, why would you think you can place the blast to snipe him?

[coredump]

You can't snipe a Hvy weapon if it is one model out of a unit.

But the IC is the only model it its unit. The blast can hit multiple units, and you are under no constraints as to placement of the blast template, except the hole as to be over a model. So you place the hole over a loota, and it can overlap another unit (or many units technically)

In this case, it overlaps the unit composed of only one model, the IC. You can't snipe the IC in his unit. Your opponent can take the hit on any model in that unit. But since the IC is the *only* model in that unit....the IC takes the hit. As do the lootas.

I am pretty sure I can say that better..... but it isn't coming out well...

[invictus]

I get what you are saying but well I just see that as being a bit cheesy. You cannot shoot at an IC unless it is nearer to you then another unit. So essentially you are using blasts to snipe an IC that you couldn't shoot at. Which I believe goes against the spirit of the rules....BUT I guess since it isn't covered (IC & Blasts that is) then yes you can snipe them that way.

[Enigma]

If the IC is part of the unit, then he is part of the unit for shooting. So if said barbed strangler hit, and mek was in the unit, then your opponent can remove anything, even not under the template. This was designed like this because that way, the attacker places the template, and can't snipe anyone. If the IC didn't count as part of the unit, then yes, he is a completely different unit, therefore he get's hit seperately. He is essentially, his own unit.

[coredump]

Invictus, I get what you are saying...

[eclipse2kgt]

I wouldn't call it cheesy, I would call it good tactics. But than again I don't think 4 MC in a 1,000 point list is cheesy.