Thoughs on Apocalypse

[Scizor]

i still don't see them as overpowered, not in apoc anyway (if used in normal 40k and not the IA4 rules they would). the phant is very points costy and the hierodule is aswell even though it have one less wound than the IA version, none is a mass point and it have a worse save!, it still costs even more, so its not overpowered. fair or underpowered if anything

[flyingspoon]

if your paying over a 1000 points for a single model it should be as strong ad a standard army of a 1000 points this is why the points system is in place so everything remains balanced if i'm were to go against it I would shoot my strongest weapons at it in hopes of killing the blighter if it's worth 1200 points then it sure as hell isn't going to be an easy kill now is it?

[krakenfiend]

Well...my gaming club has gone through a couple of battles where a pair of Hierophants square off against a single Warlord Titan..they are both the same points cost of 2500 points...but the Titan gets Obliterated EVERY time with minimal damage to the phants...just seems a little unfair...I mean maybe I am blowing this out of proportion because you guys are right 1250 points IS a lot of points....1250 points of terminators with assault cannons and power fists/furious charge would probably own a phant...I don't know...just something to think about.

krakenfiend

[Enigma]

well, it would depend on the equipment, (if titans can choose) and more models is a better advantage (usually). With more models, you can fire at different targets, get more shots etc.

[Scizor]

krakenfiend said:

Well...my gaming club has gone through a couple of battles where a pair of Hierophants square off against a single Warlord Titan..they are both the same points cost of 2500 points...but the Titan gets Obliterated EVERY time with minimal damage to the phants...just seems a little unfair...I mean maybe I am blowing this out of proportion because you guys are right 1250 points IS a lot of points....1250 points of terminators with assault cannons and power fists/furious charge would probably own a phant...I don't know...just something to think about.

krakenfiend

it don't really work to compare all units with the same cost against eachother, because some units are not meant to fight a certain thing. for example taking the same cost units to fight in close combat. a unit biovores and assault marines, lets say they are the same price. "it must be a fair fight because they cost same", but no, the biovores gets killed by most other units. even in a firefight. all units have different roles to fill. still i can agree the titans have massive killer weapons, but they might not be meant to take on the phant, but other vehicles and units