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[coff]

Ruination and Blood Moon help with the mana screwing.

[wisdomseyes1]

Jun 18, 2011 17:56:26 GMT coff said:

Ruination and Blood Moon help with the mana screwing.

ooo! those are interesting. The problem is that people use darksteel ignots rather than non-basic lands here, so neither of those will work at all :-(

[seahawk]

This is my favorite deck, mostly elementals:

3x Thorn Elemental
2x Chlorophant
1x Ivy Elemental
1x Spectral Force
1x Fungus Elemental
1x Rushwood Elemental
1x Silverglade Elemental
1x Forgotten Ancient
2x Phantom Nishoba
2x Yavimaya Elder
4x Llanowar Elves
1x Citanul Hierophants
1x Craw Giant
1x Krosan Drover
1x Brawn
1x Krosan Wayfarer
2x Scouting Trek
3x Hurricane
2x Stream of Life
2x Dwell on the Part
1x Exploration
1x Mirari's Wake
1x Pulse of Llanowar
1x Pattern of Rebirth
1x Defense of the Heart
1x Worldly Tutor
1x Natural Order
1x Piper's Melody
2x Selesnya Sanctuary
1x Gaea's Cradle
4x Plains
12x Forest

I suppose I didn't need to list all that, but hey that's what it is.

[wisdomseyes1]

seahawk: I have seen decks with few lands... but usually the lands that are there are nonbasic.. how do you get by with only 16 land?

[seahawk]

Good question! Especially considering many creatures cost big bucks . [edit - there are actually 19 lands]

Llanowar elves provide extra mana support, and Citanul Hierophants gives that same ability to every creature I have. Scouting Trek, Worldly Tutor, Yavimaya Elders and the Krosans allow me to fetch lands. Exploration allows me to play an extra land every turn, Gaea's Cradle produces a green for every creature I control, the Sanctuaries are dual lands, and Mirari's Wake makes my lands produce double every time they tap.

There are a lot of ways to get mana .

A LOT of these are foilies too...basically this is my most expensive deck, even over my dragon deck. Of course, I got most of these for free or in packs, so mega cheap is how I obtained what I wanted...

[wisdomseyes1]

Rawr!

I am making a new deck (curiosity of the firemind themed) and would like people opinions and suggestions.

I am trying to keep the deck under $40. I have NEVER made a burn deck before, so this is very difficult for me and makes me feel exposed being used to high toughness flying creatures.

Infinit damage loop is in this deck if i can manage to get it out (Niv-mizzet + ophidian eye) but im not going to rely on that.

leyline of lightning is just for some extra damage when i have extra mana to use, and leyline of singularity is because i face A LOT of token decks.

the deck is flexible because i can copy the burn spells and burn multiple targets with he same spells, which is nice when a deck like this gets outnumbered easily.

drawing cards and dealing damage... the cards im used to... the damage is a foreing consept. Anyone can help?

Here is the deck

[Psychichobo]

Hmm, Arc Lightning is a lot better than Arc Trail, the one I use... though it isn't an instant. Hmm.

It's a very good burn deck, actually. I like it. Maybe throw in a few strong walls, just to be safe - though they're not Ravnica, Guard Gomazoa and Wall of Frost are pretty damn good at stopping you from being hit by some uber-creature, and they're not hard to get ahold of.


EDIT: Also, maybe a few dual lands? Though you've not got a lot of stuff that needs two red or blue...

[zephoid]

WAY too slow for a burn deck. Agro decks will swarm you under before you can get board control.

Here is my main burn deck.
www.mtgfanatic.com/Decks/ViewDeck.aspx?ID=119242
Rarely ever looses because the manna curve is so low. Once you hit 3 manna you can play anything in the deck.

#1 burn deck card ever made: Repercussion. All burn spells now perform double duty.
You need cards like lighning bolt, firebolt, pyroclasm, and Punishing fire to keep the early game under control. Once you hit the first repercussion your opponent will start playing more conservative with creature casting or drop everything at once to win fast. Pyrokenesis and Cave-In are your aces. Zero cost cards are VERY rare but can change the whole game.

Vs token decks, drop a repercussion and pyroclasm any time he drops creatures. He will die almost instantly.

Hand size is a problem, and browbeat normally does a good job there, but Pyromancers swath is a nice backup plan. I run memory jar sometimes to fix this, but its banned in most formats now because its too darn good.


To drop this down to $40, drop almost all the rares. Pulse, Ascension,Braid, browbeat, and repercussion can all go. You should end up with about 20-25 cards or so that should be the core of your deck. Build around that as you can. Try to keep it under 4 manna cost to minimize the number of lands you need. Try to find a Furnaces of Rath that you can trade for, since everyone has them but no one plays them. They have been printed in about 4 editions now.

[Psychichobo]

zephoid: He's trying to keep it Izzet themed, so he's looking for generally blue-red and ravnica based cards more than anything.

Plus, I don't think he's being that overwhelmingly competitive.

[wisdomseyes1]

Psychichobo: I am sort of being competitive. I don't care if cards are ravnica based, just if they fit a drawing burn theme.

I tested and edited and then tested and edited again. My deck has now changed. It is far faster than before. Leyline of singularity has been my savior against token decks by far. My first test there was only 1. In the first 2-3 games... my friend ended up getting 60+ 3/3 soldier tokens with vigelence and then put out code of arms. After that i found that 2 leylines of singularity would be best if not more.

I found archmage, which is great late game because it allows me to customize my drawing (later game) which i plan on doing a lot. I will be able to get nivmizzet and ophidian eye out more easily if needed alongside dajiin in combination with lightning bolt or volcanic hammer.

Vs token decks, drop a repercussion and pyroclasm any time he drops creatures. He will die almost instantly.

Coa is in all of his token deck. Not that big a deal, but the rest of the beefs he has is.

insects have leyline of vitality. myrs have tempered steel and galvinizers (which the galivinizers being a real pain untapping everything he has) And the one that out-prodices the most is the one that only has 4 creatures in the deck. His soldiers.

Its a gw, mana excel deck that that gets out 6-12 tokens at a time. he has a card, can't remember the name on the top of my head, that gives him a 1/1 soldier for every creature he has in play. it also has rebound. those 12 creatures just became 48. he will likely have leyline of vitality out already, marshals anthem, and on occasion captain of the watch.

48 1/1's is annoying. 48 2/3's with vigilance is downright evil... especially when leyline of vitality gave him 48 life for getting those guys out.
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What do you guys think of my new deck (edit is in same link as before)

[wisdomseyes1]

EDIT: Also, maybe a few dual lands? Though you've not got a lot of stuff that needs two red or blue...

izzet boilerworks is the only dual land I can think of. I avoid that because it comes into play tapped and returns a land. i feel that i might as well just play a mountain and an island and have them usable immoderately.

can you explain why people like cards like this? (though i can see the signet being used... it doesn't make you go back step)

Guard Gomazoa: I saw that card before... the deck it was in was 2000 dolors... do i figured it was expensive. I never ever thought of looking at it after that (the deck had a 800 dolor and 300 dolor card in it... so that explains why it cost so much)

Until you pointed our the price (well... until i looked an noticed it) i was relying on gigadrows... which is quite nice in combo with my fiend.

Oh you have 4 creatures out? gigadows 4 times replicated and my fiend gets +12/+0. hit you for 13. done.

[Psychichobo]

There are dual lands that don't necessarily screw you over. Basically, there are ones that tap for red or blue, and don't always enter tapped depending on conditions. Cascade bluffs is pretty good, if probably difficult to get ahold of.

Steam Vents is a Dissension one that you might have around, but it's expensive to buy. There's a better version called Volcanic Island, but that's worth even more...

Crosis's Catacombs would work too, even if you have to return a land. It doesn't enter tapped. Forbidden Orchard's risky, but could even give you an extra target that repercussion could use.

Really, it's just making sure you always have access to both blue and red when you need it. I've struggle before from some seriously bad draws with colour.





As for Guard Gomazoa, he's good, he just happens to be available in an extremely expensive deck. I mention him mainly as he's quite recent, so might be around in shop card piles and the like. Can buy online too, though costs over a quid... But the point was basically to consider some cheap defenders to stop yourself getting overrun too quickly.

[zephoid]

repercussion and pyroclasm. You dont kill his creatures, you kill him. For each creature he has out, he takes 2 damage. >10 creatures and hes dead.

Here are the list of cards you should use.
Pyroclasm
Wash Out
accumulated knowledge
aether burst
lightning bolt
rhystic study
reprecussion
gelectrode
Crackleburr
Electrolyze
ice/fire
mirror sheen
Noggle Ransacker
counterspell
teferi 's puzzlebox
ophadian eye
preordain
browbeat
firebolt
disrupt
nif miz


The goal is to shoot through your deck as fast as possible to grab nif miz. Puzzlebox is incredible for this, also makes bounce spells nearly as good as kill spells. Wash out is better than leyline against token decks. Everything here delays until nif miz shows up, so you might want to look into something to grab him back in case he is killed.



You want to see bad tokens decks? i am up to 680,000 squirrel tokens in one game. With 2 CoA. and a squirrel mob out (that is also a squirrel).

[wisdomseyes1]

How exactly is wash out better than leyline? leyline stops him from making anymore tokens as well and getting rid of the ones that are already out. Wash out is a sorcery... so a 1 use card basically. I don't understand how that would help me (especially with a magnification price increase for what seems like a (please do not swear) effect in comparison)

I mean i guess it works on non-token decks as well... but non-token decks can't outnumber me on most cases because of my division of damage.

I am shocked you didn't recommend curiosity over ophidian eye (have the same effect save flash and is only 1 blue mana) but costs more money.

You want to see bad tokens decks? i am up to 680,000 squirrel tokens in one game. With 2 CoA. and a squirrel mob out (that is also a squirrel).

Please post a link... i don't care if it is effective or not... but my friend loves squirrels... obsessively... it is amazing and I have been telling him to make a squirrel deck

[zephoid]

I am accounting for a budget. Eye does the same thing, and does it matter the cost when it takes 6 to get out nif miz. Its the finishing to an infinite combo, so it really doesnt matter cost

Wash out nukes every token on the field. He probably used multiple cards to play those tokens, card advantage is to you. Not only that, but it bounces all the other cards of that color that could be creating tokens (mobilization) and any other creatures that could interact with tokens (catapult master). Leyline does work longer, but disenchant is in EVERY white deck. So he blows the leyline up and spams tokens while you have to wait till you get the next leyline. In general, passive cards must be significantly better than aggressive cards because the opponent can respond to them easier. Also, if you have a puzzlebox in play he does not have a chance to replay those creatures before they get put on the bottom of his deck, so its good to get rid of something you cant deal with.

www.mtgfanatic.com/Decks/ViewDeck.aspx?ID=119262

4 doubling seasons= 16x the squirrels per producer. Combine with Parallel evolution and.... well... Pretty easy to get over a million tokens. Flash the evolution back for even MORE excess.

Also, just noticed Cradle are $56 now. I have 7 of them Used to collect them back when they were $15.