No Genestealers?!

[Sledge Painter]

What gives...the purchased DOW2 look almost exactly the same as the BETA...no new units, seems like the balance is still the same...only difference I have seen so far is that you can color your units any way you want and the computer seems a little bit more nasty.

Then again, maybe you got more units with other teams other than nids? I only played nids on the BETA and looked forward to getting genestealers, gargoyles, brood lord, biovore...whatever in the full on addition. But there's nothing new there. I'm disappointed. Don't get me wrong I LOVE the game...I just expected a few more troops choices and genestealers were the backbones of so many nid armies tabletop...and I'm kinda surprised the brood lord didn't become a hero choice.

[Enigma]

The beta should be the exact same as the new one, after all there was only one for around a month. It's just there to sort out last minute bugs.

[Sledge Painter]

? Not sure what you mean. I downloaded a purchased copy off of Steam of the new DOW2 game itself...at least I paid $50 for it. It's the real game, not another BETA. I'm just disappointed we didn't get much more than what the BETA showed us.

[Haraio [MALAL]]

Okay, neither faction got all their units in Dawn of War 2. Space Marines are still missing most of their vehicles, bikes and veteran squads. Eldar has almost no aspect warriors to speak of. Orks are probably the ones who have the most units compared to the codex, although they also havve a distinct lack of vehicles and bikes.

Also, fluff-wise Genestealers don't fit in Dawn of War 2. Genestealers are no horde unit. In the fluff, they are never portrayed as charging towards the enemy alongside the gaunts and the warriors. Genestealers are there in the early stages of an invasion, so disrupt enemy commands and pave way for the invation fleet. And in the game, this 'infiltrate and assassinate'-role has already been taken care of by the Lictor, who honestly does it very well. That, in my opinion, is why the Broodlord and Genestealers wouldn't work in Dawn of War 2.

Also, Genestealers are world-famous in the 40k world, and I don't believe they could justify them in the game, honestly. The designers would either make them underpowered (just some souped-up Hormagaunts) or overpowered (kill Terminators in just a few hits) and either way, someone would get pissed off. Better that they leave them out, than ruin the iconic image the Genestealers hold on the Tyranid faction.

Also, it WAS a multiplayer beta. In other words, they wanted to test out the balance of the multiplayer system. And thus, it would be useless if they didn't test all the new units. So I think most of us had already realized there would be no more units. Though, I'm fairly certain we should be expecting a expansion pack within a year or so, with more factions and possibly more units for the current factions It would be proper Dawn of War-style.

[ErA | zoe)ender]

I see genestealers perfectly in the next expansion - "Dawn of war 2: Infestation of the Looted Space Hulk" ;D

[The Custodian]

Genestealers may make an appearance in the campaign for all we know... BUt they dont belong in this game.... YET...

I always imagined that the next expansion would include chaos and IG AND add in 1 new hero for each faction and maybe a new unit... I was hoping for genestealers and broodlord for nids...

[Zoop]

Feb 20, 2009 0:36:00 GMT Sledge Painter said:

What gives...the purchased DOW2 look almost exactly the same as the BETA...no new units, seems like the balance is still the same...only difference I have seen so far is that you can color your units any way you want and the computer seems a little bit more nasty.

Then again, maybe you got more units with other teams other than nids? I only played nids on the BETA and looked forward to getting genestealers, gargoyles, brood lord, biovore...whatever in the full on addition. But there's nothing new there. I'm disappointed. Don't get me wrong I LOVE the game...I just expected a few more troops choices and genestealers were the backbones of so many nid armies tabletop...and I'm kinda surprised the brood lord didn't become a hero choice.

Well, that's kinda simple eh? You played the Beta, not a Demo.

A Demo is normally a limited presentation of something (does not contain all the features), a Beta is kind of the finished products but hasn't gotten all the bugs ironed out (I found quite some bugs in the Beta, I've seen fixed in the Retail).

The lack of genestealers is quite logical like Haraio pointed out.

In order to add a Broodlord & Genestealers the game will need a Tyranid campaign where you start out with the BL+GS. In the first few missions you'd need to do a lot of recon, take samples of DNA, assassinations etc. Later you are rewarded with a Lictor, and after all the recon is over, a full invasion would start (probably replacing the BL+GS, so they no longer have a function in the campaign).

[ErA | zoe)ender]

Feb 24, 2009 13:31:53 GMT Zoop said:

Feb 20, 2009 0:36:00 GMT Sledge Painter said:

What gives...the purchased DOW2 look almost exactly the same as the BETA...no new units, seems like the balance is still the same...only difference I have seen so far is that you can color your units any way you want and the computer seems a little bit more nasty.

Then again, maybe you got more units with other teams other than nids? I only played nids on the BETA and looked forward to getting genestealers, gargoyles, brood lord, biovore...whatever in the full on addition. But there's nothing new there. I'm disappointed. Don't get me wrong I LOVE the game...I just expected a few more troops choices and genestealers were the backbones of so many nid armies tabletop...and I'm kinda surprised the brood lord didn't become a hero choice.

Well, that's kinda simple eh? You played the Beta, not a Demo.

A Demo is normally a limited presentation of something (does not contain all the features), a Beta is kind of the finished products but hasn't gotten all the bugs ironed out (I found quite some bugs in the Beta, I've seen fixed in the Retail).

The lack of genestealers is quite logical like Haraio pointed out.

In order to add a Broodlord & Genestealers the game will need a Tyranid campaign where you start out with the BL+GS. In the first few missions you'd need to do a lot of recon, take samples of DNA, assassinations etc. Later you are rewarded with a Lictor, and after all the recon is over, a full invasion would start (probably replacing the BL+GS, so they no longer have a function in the campaign).

What he said.

[Helonion]

Playing the game I earned a great respect for the Nids that I'm technically team killing and a greater respect for the SM. Still over all **** the poster boy.

Stealers + splinter fleet = not really a good idea. It is a splinter fleet of leviathan and it's more of a retreat attack then full fledged invasion.

[nighthawk76320]

i Agree this would ruin their reputation though i'm sure that they will include them in an addon like thy did for dow.
However i can feel that the nids are much more tough in the game than in the beta.

[Dangeresque]

As mentioned above, they probably weren't included to give an easy new unit for the sequel

[ZergLord]

The topic is 3 months old, man.

[squidy]

I don't like the idea of genestealers in the game for 1 reason: Balance issues.

The maps are pretty smallish and its pretty easy to get into melee. This may be good for us Tyranids, but players are already complaining about them as is. They would complain even more with genestealers assaulting everyone to death.

[Helonion]

Apr 27, 2009 17:41:44 GMT squidy said:

I don't like the idea of genestealers in the game for 1 reason: Balance issues.

The maps are pretty smallish and its pretty easy to get into melee. This may be good for us Tyranids, but players are already complaining about them as is. They would complain even more with genestealers assaulting everyone to death.

Expansion + IG + Stealers = Dow 2 Expansion, play as IG and or Nid

[squidy]

Well the IG shouldn't be broken in DoW2. Thats only the miniature game where GW is giving each codex a bump up.... ONE AT A TIME! Curses!