New IG Player

[T Spear_Chucker]

During the last few days I have been thinking about starting IG as my second army (to nids).

Eventually I decided that I wanted to have a artillery/infantry-focused theme. I decided to call this army the Hellblitz Shocktroopers and even came up with a colour scheme!

Today I just picked up the IG codex and read over it and liked what I saw.

I'm looking to build a 1000-pt army that revolves around infantry and artillery. Generally, I want to do the classic charge with artillery support (creeping barrage anyone?).

It would be very appreciated if you guys can give me some sample 1000-pt armies that revolve around this stratagem and maybe even pointers on what to get for the first 500 points of that list (as I will have to buy them gradually). Thanks in advance!

[WestRider]

I've not played anything like that, actually never even seen anything like that. To be entirely honest, it's probably not going to work too well. When IG go Assault, they usually want to use mostly RoughRiders. The basic Infantry are best off sitting back with a Heavy weapon and opening up. I'll give it a shot, though.

More or less, I'd shoot for something like this:
Doctrines: Grenadiers, Iron discipline, Carapace Armour, Veterans, Hardened Fighters
Command Platoon: HSO, Power Weapon, Iron Discipline, Medic, Flamer, Commissar with PowerFist. Carapace Armour and Hardened Fighters for the Squad 187/187

2x Basilisks, Indirect Fire 250/437

10 Grenadiers, Vet w/Power Weapon, 2x Meltaguns 131/568
10 Grenadiers, Vet w/Power Weapon, 2x Meltaguns 131/699
10 Grenadiers, Vet w/Power Weapon, 2x Flamers 123/822

10 Hardened Veterans, Carapace Armour, Hardened Fighters, 3x Meltaguns, Vet w/PowerFist 170/992

The Vets can Infiltrate somewhere to hopefully take a bit of the pressure off of your main thrust. Even so, you've got a ridiculously low model count for a 1000 Point IG army, and even though they're all Carapaced, they're not that tough, or really great in Combat.

[T Spear_Chucker]

Ooops, by "charge" I meant running up to shooting range. Sorry about that. Thanks for trying though.

[zeewulf]

I would say Armored Fist squads would be your best bet...but you can't really take those without a platoon of regulars...the other option is to go Doctrine: Stormtrooper Grenadiers, and then you can take stormtroopers as troops and mount them in a Chimera. A few squads of them, some good heavy weapons support in your command team platoon (though you can put your command squad mounted as well, to give them extra speed), a trio of basilisks will be a must....

Estimate a stormie squad with a chimera at 250 (Bells and whistles on them), so, 500 points right there...375 for three bare-bones basilisks with indirect fire....that leaves you 125 for a command squad. Probably not quite enough at 1000 points for the speedy type, if you plan on shooting right away. Of course, 5th edition, you can run...but then you can't shoot, so its a double-edged sword right there. Only other thing I can see is to make a couple bare-bones platoons, and then use armored fist squads to supplement to get the speedy part down.

Now, if you were playing 2000 points, the all-stormtrooper army would actually work....

[zeewulf]

Huh, thats weird, I didn't see the rest of your post there, westrider, suggesting what he should use.

[Helonion]

Zeewulf, since your already in the German troops with teh Stormtroopers and Grenadiers, call them Panzerfaust's instead of Armored Fists.

[zeewulf]

Actually, Helonion, you have no idea how accurate you are to what I did: I call them Sturmgrenadiers, they ride in a Chimera named Sturmtraeger, and they're even painted up like SS troops, down to the sigrunen on the right shoulderpad. Slightly tasteless on the last bit, but, nobody said the Imperium was very nice.

[Helonion]

Jul 1, 2008 16:19:25 GMT zeewulf said:

Actually, Helonion, you have no idea how accurate you are to what I did: I call them Sturmgrenadiers, they ride in a Chimera named Sturmtraeger, and they're even painted up like SS troops, down to the sigrunen on the right shoulderpad. Slightly tasteless on the last bit, but, nobody said the Imperium was very nice.

If I could I would have had the Death Krops and Steal Legion for my WW1 project my Junior year of High School.

[zeewulf]

Now that would be sweet.

[Helonion]

Jul 1, 2008 19:23:19 GMT zeewulf said:

Now that would be sweet.

and extremely expensive considering, buying them, painting, making the trenches and all that.

[Psychichobo]

Could give them all that Doctrine that lets them deep strike, then have them use that fifth ed Outflank maneuver. Dang, that's a nasty new trick. I'm really going to abuse that.

[T Spear_Chucker]

Ok, I see that basilisks are a given in my kind of theme. I also noticed that all of you included some kind of 4+ sv infantry unit (Stroopers, Gdiers, HVets+Cara) instead of 5+ regular guardsmen. Is it actually better to upgrade IG infantry than keep them barebones (unlike nids where you try to get as least amount of upgrades as possible)?

[Haraio [MALAL]]

For the Command Squad, I would use the nasty trick I read in one of the Cities of Death battle reports in WD. Toss in a psyker with Force weapon and Honorifica Imperialis. Since he's not an IC, he can't be targeted, and he can zap Daemonprinces, Chaos Lords, Warbosses and whatnot charging your command squad. At 62pts, he's a steal^^

[zeewulf]

Yeah, I'm really needing a Psyker for that purpose.

The big problem with regular guard infantry is that they can't move nearly as fast, which is why the faster, easier to deploy, but tougher infantry is suggested.....But then again, I just remembered one small thing for doctrines: Mechanized. With the Mechanized Doctrine, you can mount EVERYONE in a Chimera, so you could, say, make a command squad mechanized, a mortar team attached to the command squad mechanized, and then just slap down a bunch of armored fist type squads to fill it all out.

[T Spear_Chucker]

So, what would be my first boxes to buy? I'm thinking I should start off with a command squad/stormtrooper box. (Is the command squad the only HQ you can get or can you get like an all-commissar squad instead etc.?)