Nightbringer or Deciever

[kermitthegaunt]

The Nightbringer brings in heavy fire power but costs a good amount of points more.

Deciever can mentaly pin down tough characters and shatter dreams and cost a less amount of points.

Which do you prefer?

[Psychichobo]

Deceiver. Looking at the stats, the Deceiver does pretty much the same job as the Nightbringer in combat and has more effective abilities to boot = being able to run out of combat before hits are made is one cruel thing, but redeploying most of the enemy army is just brutal. Plus, he's cheaper. The Nightbringer can be more easily tarpitted and although he has a ranged attack, will be shot down just as easily as the Deceiver. At least the Deceiver can have some kind of effect on the enemy with redeployment before the gunfire gets trained on him.

[ryshi]

I'm pretty sure the nightbringer has a few more toys than just a ranged weapon, though I can't remember what they were. Also sure the deceiver can freely leave combat before attacks, but he doesn't get to hit either, it's not too big of a deal in my opinion, though I suppose it has tactical merit.

Also the deceiver redeploys his own army, not the enemies.

Realistically speaking if your gonna pay like 300 points for a model, is 60 more points for a model superior in close combat with a devastating shot not worth it?

I dunno I never liked the deceiver, i suppose mainly because his redeploy rule is so luck based, you can only keep moving stuff if you roll well for every squad you wish to move.

[hivemindofpower]

I just like the nightbringer because he explodes all is that both of them?

[invictus]

Both explodes when they die.

The Deciever leaves combat on the enemies assault phase, allowing the people he was in combat with to do nothing. Basically he is one that will always fight on his terms.

The Nightbringer has a special attack that pushes all units without a majority str of 4 or more X" back out of combat. This applies in some radius that I don't remember off hand.

I personally like the Nightbringer, he just looks better to me.

[flyingspoon]

I prefer the nightbringer by about ¾% more to the deciver due to his rules and it being my first major centre piece who i now have mounted on my computer

[Psychichobo]

Thing is, the Nightbringer's abilities aren't that hot - blow away enemies in combat that aren't str 4, or drop a large template around himself that's str4 with no armour saves allowed. I dunno, the Deceiver just seems more useful... but then again, might just be my appreciation of the underdog, as the Nightbringer is one of the most awesome looking models there is. (Nuts, you were right, Deceiver can't redeploy the enemy...)

Ah well. Go with what you love!

[ryshi]

If he could redeploy the enemy he'd have to cost like 500 points for an ability that good. I mean you could just drop like all his stuff hiding into a firing lane or whatnot, that would be insane.

I do like the deciever's abilities though.

[hivemindofpower]

Wait a minute what is the point cost of the Nightbringer and can you get both of them in one an army?

[invictus]

Point cost of the Nightbringer is... XXX (in the codex).
No you cannot have both CTans in the army, its either one or the other.
with 5th edition looming though I would have to say I'm leaning toward the deceiver...

[flyingspoon]

The deicieer is cheaper by than the night bringer by a fair chunk of points enough for a few pieces of wargear

[krakenfiend]

Uh....have any of you guys used the Deceiver before?...?? He is AWESOME...the misdirect rule lets him fight close combats on his terms and lets him get a 2d6 move when he decides to leave combat!...in this way he gets around the board MUCH faster than the Nightbringer. The ability to cause ANY unit to take a pinning test is pretty neat + The pregame redeploy is sweet too. If you are a serious Necron player this is the C'tan you want to have in your list....forget about the Nightbringer...he is awful in comparison...my Decepticrons are very difficult to beat and game are often won because of the Deceiver's abilities...+ he's a C'tan...as in ignores saves (all saves)...he's great.

krakenfiend

[kermitthegaunt]

I have the deciever and what does the deployment rule mean anyway?
you get to put your squads down again? what help is that?

[Psychichobo]

Well, against us it would mean that should the Necron player find that a Flyrant is behind cover from a squad of Heavy Destroyers, he can shift those destroyers to be in range again, for an example. There's a lot of tactical opportunities there.

[ryshi]

Yeah, basically your opponent, if your playing someone competent under the current ruleset, will deploy in a manner to try and capitalize on your deployment.

Lets say....you have a CC fex placed as close as possible to X necron target.
Deciever uses ability, you roll( i want to say 4+), and get to move it as far away from that fex as possible if you'd like.