Chaos Demon Codex

[omalley69]

May 5, 2008 6:15:32 GMT theevillemon said:

haha shame to tzeentch not have a herald model

The Special char is called the challening, or something alike.

Its a unique 5 point champion for one of your horror troop choices.

It gives a horror the channeling special ability. Its basicly a give an enemy unit a ld test, and if you fail it, you fire ALL your weapons in the unit at your self.

Funny and cheap.

ps; even flesh hounds have a special char.

[rebmonk]

May 4, 2008 11:24:26 GMT Shas'o Tash'var Kais Pat said:

Are there any benefits to be gotten by different combinations of Gods, and do you get any bonuses from having the God's number of troops in a squad? (apparently this happened in one version of Chaos marines)

Nope, no additional benefits for taking certain numbers or combinations. Also it might give you a disadvantage since IC's cannot join units that are for a different chaos god.

Also there are mounted daemonettes, and they count as a fast attack choice.

[Sledgehammer]

The Changeling is a troop upgrade. Tzeench also has a Herold (don't konw the english name though - it should be something like "The blue Scholars").

And yes, the Masque is a special Character (Herold) but not a greater demon...

[omalley69]

May 5, 2008 13:16:17 GMT Sledgehammer said:

The Changeling is a troop upgrade. Tzeench also has a Herold (don't konw the english name though - it should be something like "The blue Scholars").

And yes, the Masque is a special Character (Herold) but not a greater demon...

Correction; its an unique troop upgrade, ergo only one pr army. And its seen as the special char for TZ.

[Sledgehammer]

Yes it's a unique troop upgrade (no argueing with that). But it's not the spechial Character for Tzeench. There are the Blue Scholars (Herald of Tzeench) and there's Fateweaver (the unique Lord of Change)...

[CylonDorado]

May 4, 2008 10:50:23 GMT thecyclopshive said:

Can you have Daemonettes on mounts? if so what type of thoop are they (i.e Heavy Support, Fast Attack etc)?

Yeah, I think they are a fast attack slot. I believe they are called something else, like "seekers of slaanesh" or somesuch, and I didn't get a good look at their stats but they're there. Also they seem to be counting on you having the old models, as there is no pic of them in the codex, or on the Daemons of Chaos miniature range on the GW website.

[theevillemon]

when i won a bunch of the mounted demonettes in a gw auction the gw guy said you can still use them but you have to get them from direct only know.

[Sledgehammer]

Yeah, they are fast attack. The stats are pretty much the same as standard demonettes +1 attack and they are cavallery.

[The Hive Mind]

Dudes Khorne is wicked! 6 Standard Bloodletters wiped out 15 Orks, including a Nob, new Daemons rule!

[Sledgehammer]

Latest codex is always toughest - GW standard procedure. The noticable exception to prove the rule were Eldar...

Want an example? Demonettes basically have the same features like Stealers. They are worse than stealers only in WS, ST and T. But the come with +1 attack, invulnerable save and deep striking. And they only cost 14 points each plus you can put 20 of them into one unit.

Imagine 80 rending attacks on the assault...

[lazarus]

Well think of it this way.
Sure a stealer is 2 points more. And granted, daemonettes can come in bigger broods (sorry squads haha) deep strike etc. Then again, stealers are faster generally (can start moving from turn one, then hopefully can be in close combat turn 2, whilst daemonettes have to wait longer to get into cc = less turns chopping stuff up in cc) that added bonus of toughness will make a difference (ok, so will the daemonettes invulnerable save) as will the strength for the crucial non rending kills and the WS is always fun.

Id say its a pretty close even. Bigger squads isnt necessarily an advantage, (las plas squads?!) as you could take near enough the same number of models and split squads to divert enemy fire, and works to the stealers advantage as they have more fleet roles and can go off in different directions. Etc. Deep strike is great (mind you so is infiltrating with the broodlord - though Ill leave that aside as hes extra points, different unit etc) though Id hardly say it makes daemonettes better than stealers. Pretty even either way, and really up to personal preference.

80 Rending attacks. True. Turning them all into something useful instead of simply overkill? Slightly harder. Don't forget that sure, you'll probably wipe the killzone clean, and quite likely to wipe out the unit. But then you suffer the same problem as larger stealer broods, namely being too powerful and getting shot to pieces the following turn.
Just my rambling thoughts hehe.

[Sledgehammer]

I dind't say they are better, didn't do the math actually. But I do think, they are very comparable for a cheaper price...

And with the demon armies you can at least in 50% of the games easiely make up for deep-striking disadvantages: Just let your opponent have the first turn. That way his turn one is largely wasted and you get the last turn.

We gotta forget about fancy killzone cleaning Wiping out units will probably be the best life insurance...

And well It's good to be in cover after wiping someone out...

[Psychichobo]

I can't wait to test my Kroot out against Daemons. An infiltrator heavy army will have a field day against them due to the fact that they can pretty much be dumped into every piece of cover on the board, as they will always be out of LoS because the daemons have to deepstrike in on turn one, and thus you can safely blast away at stuff whilst enjoying cover saves and smacking them them first when they charge you. Invulnerable saves of 5+ won't be the best of help, hee...

Granted, the flamers and bigger stuff will still hit pretty hard, but otherwise it's a idea I'd love to try out...

[Sledgehammer]

Yeah, ok that one sounds interesting

[omalley69]

Keep in mind that deamonnettes will be nerfed in 5. ed, were stealers benefit from feeder tendrils at 1 point.

Stealers, with the higher Ws will hit better with a reroll and there fore have a larger chance to rend.

I believe that stealers will come out greater in 5. ed.