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Post by hiveoverall on Dec 17, 2019 21:25:08 GMT
I actually wrot « sad » but the corrector changed it to « sold » for some reason but nethermind the topic has moved on ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) After trying it out twice I think the maleceptor bubble is not really worth bringing a 160 point psyker who knows... One spell... There are so many other things to do. I might still give it a few shots because I love the model and how I painted it. But honestly there are better things out there, that won’t castle you up. 9 behemoth warriors with a behemoth trygon(all ad glands) given monstrous size adaptation is ace for example. That wraith Knight is going down ! Use the warriors to charge in and eat overwatch, don’t be too unlucky with tc Harte roll, then use hive instinct to bring the trygon in then use the codex strat to reroll wounds. You nearly one shot it (trygon prime has the advantage of swinging when dead for 2 cp as he is a character, to absolutely ensure the death of the target. And to get that ad gland relic if you feel like overkill)
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Post by topaxygourouni on Dec 17, 2019 21:47:16 GMT
I actually wrot « sad » but the corrector changed it to « sold » for some reason but nethermind the topic has moved on ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) After trying it out twice I think the maleceptor bubble is not really worth bringing a 160 point psyker who knows... One spell... There are so many other things to do. I might still give it a few shots because I love the model and how I painted it. But honestly there are better things out there, that won’t castle you up. 9 behemoth warriors with a behemoth trygon(all ad glands) given monstrous size adaptation is ace for example. That wraith Knight is going down ! Use the warriors to charge in and eat overwatch, don’t be too unlucky with tc Harte roll, then use hive instinct to bring the trygon in then use the codex strat to reroll wounds. You nearly one shot it (trygon prime has the advantage of swinging when dead for 2 cp as he is a character, to absolutely ensure the death of the target. And to get that ad gland relic if you feel like overkill) I disagree, I think Maleceptor is perfect for what I have in mind. Tyranids almost have the tools to do a smite spam army, but it usually meant we needed to bring at least 4 zoanthropes for the 2d3 smite. Also, we were punished by the casting cost tax, and just the neuro rerolls were not enough. Enter PA, we get the barb and we get Mallie. Barb HT is now an Ahriman tyrant, and the maleceptor gives an additional source of +1. Suddenly we can do 4x smite with solid chances to have them all go off (broodlord on 5, neuro on 6 with rerolls, barb tyrant on 7 with +1, maleceptor on 8 with +1). Plus we get 3 more buff casts with +1 or reroll 1's. So there's your catalyst, sybiostorm and horror/onslaught with much better chances to cast. For 160 pts, maleceptor brings a distraction carnifex with 4++ save, lots of wounds and solid psychic support. I think I will be running one most of the time together with the barb.
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Post by topaxygourouni on Dec 17, 2019 21:49:07 GMT
I actually wrot « sad » but the corrector changed it to « sold » for some reason but nethermind the topic has moved on ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) After trying it out twice I think the maleceptor bubble is not really worth bringing a 160 point psyker who knows... One spell... There are so many other things to do. I might still give it a few shots because I love the model and how I painted it. But honestly there are better things out there, that won’t castle you up. 9 behemoth warriors with a behemoth trygon(all ad glands) given monstrous size adaptation is ace for example. That wraith Knight is going down ! Use the warriors to charge in and eat overwatch, don’t be too unlucky with tc Harte roll, then use hive instinct to bring the trygon in then use the codex strat to reroll wounds. You nearly one shot it (trygon prime has the advantage of swinging when dead for 2 cp as he is a character, to absolutely ensure the death of the target. And to get that ad gland relic if you feel like overkill) I disagree, I think Maleceptor is perfect for what I have in mind. Tyranids almost have the tools to do a smite spam army, but it usually meant we needed to bring at least 4 zoanthropes for the 2d3 smite. 4 zoanthropes are already 120 pts and don't offer anything else to the army. Also, we were punished by the casting cost tax, and just the neuro rerolls were not enough. Enter PA, we get the barb and we get Mallie. Barb HT is now an Ahriman tyrant, and the maleceptor gives an additional source of +1. Suddenly we can do 4x smite with solid chances to have them all go off (broodlord on 5, neuro on 6 with rerolls, barb tyrant on 7 with +1, maleceptor on 8 with +1). Plus we get 3 more buff casts with +1 or reroll 1's. So there's your catalyst, sybiostorm and horror/onslaught with much better chances to cast. For 160 pts, maleceptor brings a distraction carnifex with 4++ save, lots of wounds and solid psychic support. It's stratagem is expensive to spam, so I don't think it will happen every turn, but even for one turn it can drastically chance the outcome of the game. I think I will be running one most of the time together with the barb.
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Post by purestrain on Dec 17, 2019 22:10:11 GMT
I actually wrot « sad » but the corrector changed it to « sold » for some reason but nethermind the topic has moved on ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) After trying it out twice I think the maleceptor bubble is not really worth bringing a 160 point psyker who knows... One spell... There are so many other things to do. I might still give it a few shots because I love the model and how I painted it. But honestly there are better things out there, that won’t castle you up. 9 behemoth warriors with a behemoth trygon(all ad glands) given monstrous size adaptation is ace for example. That wraith Knight is going down ! Use the warriors to charge in and eat overwatch, don’t be too unlucky with tc Harte roll, then use hive instinct to bring the trygon in then use the codex strat to reroll wounds. You nearly one shot it (trygon prime has the advantage of swinging when dead for 2 cp as he is a character, to absolutely ensure the death of the target. And to get that ad gland relic if you feel like overkill) I disagree, I think Maleceptor is perfect for what I have in mind. Tyranids almost have the tools to do a smite spam army, but it usually meant we needed to bring at least 4 zoanthropes for the 2d3 smite. Also, we were punished by the casting cost tax, and just the neuro rerolls were not enough. Enter PA, we get the barb and we get Mallie. Barb HT is now an Ahriman tyrant, and the maleceptor gives an additional source of +1. Suddenly we can do 4x smite with solid chances to have them all go off (broodlord on 5, neuro on 6 with rerolls, barb tyrant on 7 with +1, maleceptor on 8 with +1). Plus we get 3 more buff casts with +1 or reroll 1's. So there's your catalyst, sybiostorm and horror/onslaught with much better chances to cast. For 160 pts, maleceptor brings a distraction carnifex with 4++ save, lots of wounds and solid psychic support. I think I will be running one most of the time together with the barb. This is why we need an faq about Cranial Channeling, if its intention is every psycher model can reroll a single spell a turn a custom HF of those guys Tyrant with HVC and Resonance Barb a neuro and triple Zoans in a Cranial Chanelling/restore 1w/t Would make them quite savage, and the Maleceptors aura ability would be dank to force down the amount of rolls they can get into your already Protected army of min 4++ by making bolters wound zoans on 5s and although it wont stop las cannons it will wilter them to 6s with bolters vs monsters, HB wound everyone on 4/5 if infantry/monster instead of 3/5, giving up not much to anyone and if you survive the initial abuse if your not top of t1 you can use the Zoans bombard if they castle or throw out a free rerollable bolter ranged smite from each squad. IF thats how it works... it does, doesnt it?
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Post by bigpig on Dec 18, 2019 2:20:30 GMT
I'm afraid that NidZilla armies need to bring Harpies/Crones in their games. Play them the same way CSM lists start bringing 3x Heldrakes. Move up 30", triple charge something, block movements, mess up with tartet priorities while your actual nidzilla marches behind them. And yes, I know crones are strictly worse than heldrakes, but we really need those 30" + charge moves. Yeah, but they are TOO strictly worse to be able to pull off the same task. T7, 3+/5++, is not survivable enough compared to t6, 4+.... and WS3 with 5 attacks on the charge vs WS4 with 3 attacks (reroll 1s) is way more reliable to troll out a key character. For screening, 40 gaunts is the same price and probably more survivable.... or four wiggling biovores dropping mines in the way. .....and I'm spending 500 points to keep the enemy away from my melee bug line why? (I get being able to dictate the when and how of engagement, but big investment) I experimented with them a while back and just couldn't make them work and nothing has changed points wise to make them do the job. I guess an argument could be made if you are going all in on nidzilla that the plus one to hit hive fleet ability might help, but I'm not sure its enough
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Post by bigpig on Dec 18, 2019 2:20:56 GMT
I'm afraid that NidZilla armies need to bring Harpies/Crones in their games. Play them the same way CSM lists start bringing 3x Heldrakes. Move up 30", triple charge something, block movements, mess up with tartet priorities while your actual nidzilla marches behind them. And yes, I know crones are strictly worse than heldrakes, but we really need those 30" + charge moves. Harpies and crones were dead in the index and they haven't improved. T6 with a 4+ save is just so bad. All you do is give up easy Big Game Hunter secondary points. You don't find many heldrakes being used and they have a 3+/5++, are T7, and pack a punch in combat. Hah, sorry. Matt beat me to it ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by topaxygourouni on Dec 18, 2019 8:16:58 GMT
I'm afraid that NidZilla armies need to bring Harpies/Crones in their games. Play them the same way CSM lists start bringing 3x Heldrakes. Move up 30", triple charge something, block movements, mess up with tartet priorities while your actual nidzilla marches behind them. And yes, I know crones are strictly worse than heldrakes, but we really need those 30" + charge moves. Yeah, but they are TOO strictly worse to be able to pull off the same task. T7, 3+/5++, is not survivable enough compared to t6, 4+.... and WS3 with 5 attacks on the charge vs WS4 with 3 attacks (reroll 1s) is way more reliable to troll out a key character. For screening, 40 gaunts is the same price and probably more survivable.... or four wiggling biovores dropping mines in the way. .....and I'm spending 500 points to keep the enemy away from my melee bug line why? (I get being able to dictate the when and how of engagement, but big investment) I experimented with them a while back and just couldn't make them work and nothing has changed points wise to make them do the job. I guess an argument could be made if you are going all in on nidzilla that the plus one to hit hive fleet ability might help, but I'm not sure its enough I know. Still we have no other unit able to do T1 charges outside slingshot. And crones actually have 4 attacks.
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Post by mattblowers on Dec 18, 2019 19:35:47 GMT
I know. Still we have no other unit able to do T1 charges outside slingshot. And crones actually have 4 attacks. So 2 hits? On what is most likely their screen? I mean sure, it allowed a T1 charge, but there is not "First to the Fray!" mission points.
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Post by kazetanade on Dec 18, 2019 19:40:44 GMT
Why are we pushing and rushing for lack lustre T1 charges? The only thing I'd consider good for T1 charges are big infantry blobs or Toxicrene.
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Post by purestrain on Dec 18, 2019 23:36:18 GMT
Either of them being the t1 disruption requires build a bug with +1 hit for charging/HI/Charged Monsters and -1 hit melee vs fly.
Follow up with Shrikes and a flyrant, could be effective in lower rank/local metas
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Post by N.I.B. on Dec 19, 2019 13:02:08 GMT
Nick Nanavati hypes post-BoB Tyranids as a Tier 1 faction in Art of War 19.2. I'm not a patreon so I don't know the details, but wtf?
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Post by kazetanade on Dec 19, 2019 13:40:58 GMT
I am not even surprised, that's just funny...
So guys, keep experimenting, there's gotta be something in here.
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Post by purestrain on Dec 19, 2019 13:41:41 GMT
Nick Nanavati hypes post-BoB Tyranids as a Tier 1 faction in Art of War 19.2. I'm not a patreon so I don't know the details, but wtf? Probably Because of -ap outnumber and 4+++ overwatch, just sling in normal stealers but they can survive double the firepower and have static ap-2 claws? or maybe the 5+ rending on behemoth drops from trygons? If you double move a flyrant with poisonous influence, you're ap-3, with your (5?) powersword stealers sitting at ap-5. Could be wrong on all fronts, but I can see them being tasty
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Post by bigpig on Dec 19, 2019 14:55:29 GMT
Nick Nanavati hypes post-BoB Tyranids as a Tier 1 faction in Art of War 19.2. I'm not a patreon so I don't know the details, but wtf? He's drumming up Patreons methinks
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Post by mule on Dec 19, 2019 15:10:42 GMT
1000000% he is lol. He should play nids get a good result, then say theyre tier 1. He played genestealer sling for a month and then ditched it in a heartbeat for orks when he got sponsored. I love nick and his views on stuff are cool, but recently it seems hes leaning heavily into make his hobby his job. I prefer what the guys over at vanguard tactics are doing over the knights at the game table stuff. I have no problem paying for 40k content miniwar gaming is proof of that, but i sure as hell aint paying $100 a month. I just want good quality videos featuring competitive itc players playing against each other that i can watch and listen to while im at my (please do not swear) cubicle job. Where is this content? ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png)
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