Warhammer World GT3 2k list

[dwez]

I'm off to Warhammer World in Feb for GT3 I've debated taking the nids or my Dark Angels and it came down to nids. I've no expectations on winning/placing but painting wise the nids stand out more, they've been nominated for best army 3 times and won once. So I've filled my list with units I like and things that are cool and different but I don't know which is the best Hive Fleet Adaptation to take and although I;v egot a neet split between two battalions I want a mono hive fleet just because they're all painted the same and I want no issues on the day.

Here's the list:

Battalion 1
HQ
Hive Tyrant, with Adrenal Glands and Toxin Sacs 2 x Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Monstrous Rending Claws [Maw Claws of Thyrax], Wings & Pincer tail
Broodlord

Troops
17 x Genestealers with Rending Claws & Scything Talons
[4 x Acid Maws]
3 x Ripper Swarm
3 x Ripper Swarm

Heavy Support
Trygon with Adrenal Glands, Bio-electric Pulse, Toxinspike 3 x Massive Scything Talons

Battalion 2
HQ
Malanthrope
Tervigon with Toxin Sacs

Troops
25 x Termagants – 15 x Devourers & 10 Fleshborers
25 x Termagants – 25 Fleshborers
3 x Tyranid Warriors with Scything Talons – 1 x Barbed Strangler, 2 x Deathspitter

Elites
4 x Hive Guard

Heavy Support
Trygon with Adrenal Glands, Bio-electric Pulse, Toxinspike 3 x Massive Scything Talons

Fortification
Skyshield Landing Pad

Plan is deepstrike the Trygon's with the Genestealers and the Devgaunt Termagants. Hive Tyrant also bobs in. Rippers held back for objective scoring

Everything else deploys, where possible the Tervigon tries to advance to where it might add it's buffs to the Devgaunts tunneling in with the Broodlord and Malanthrope going with it to catch up with the Stealers and provide 'cover'.

The Skyshield is there because it looks cool and folk might waste shots on it, it's pretty naff this edition but as I say looks cool so has to stay. Warriors and Fleshborer gaunts might live on it with the Hive Guard hiding underneath, out of sight.

[avasraali]

Hi Dwez,

Word of warning before I start - I am NOT an experienced 40k player. I am however an experienced theorycrafter in other games. As such, take my comments with a pinch of salt - but I may at least raise questions for you to think about.

First - From what I can see of the 40k meta right now, HQ units tend to be more often a tax on detachments than super-strong units in their own right. That's not to say HQ units are bad, but that often you don't want to go too heavy on them. The first question I have therefore is whether the Broodlord and Malanthrope are accomplishing a huge amount. For the broodlord, I note your 'stealers are entering via Trygon tunnels - as such, the Broodlord is going to have to slog across the map on foot to reach and buff the 'stealers. I get that Broodlords are fast, but equally half the point of Deep Strike is to bring your units in at vulnerable or important points in your enemy's formation - so there's a good chance he's going to need to go THROUGH some enemies to get within 6" of the stealer brood. It may well work out, but it seems like it's unreliable, particularly since he's going to outstrip the units I presume you're relying on to screen him from incoming fire.

The Malanthrope also seems out of place. Don' get me wrong, Malanthropes are awesome - but part of their role is using their spores to screen your advancing units. In your list however, most of your high value units are deep striking in where they won't get the benefit of the Malanthrope aura. He's screening the basic Termagants, the Hive Guard (which I assume are being screened by the termies), the Tervigon and the Broodlord (who will presumably run out of the aura pretty quickly to get to the stealers and support).

It seems to me that if you're running a Malanthrope to screen your initial deployment, and also running a Tervigon to buff and regenerate your Termagants, you might do better to not go as all-in on Trygon deep strikes and instead invest more heavily in your non-DS troops. This is particularly given Tervigons are pretty expensive, points-wise, so you really want them to be bringing in their money's worth on buffing the Devilgaunts and replacing their ablative fleshborer meatshield (which again requires it to catch up with the DS group).

One further note - given the only DS synapse creature you're running is the Flyrant, I assume you're dropping both Trygons and their payloads fairly close together? Granted 'stealers don't really need synapse support (given high Ld and no instinctive behaviour) but having the option seems sensible.

Just a few thoughts - feel free to ignore or tell me I'm woefully incorrect as appropriate!

[tomb]

Firstly is there anything official from WHW that hive fleets need to be differentiated. You have an amazing scheme and a great looking army. I wonder if you could just use a 5mm section of base at the rear of the base and paint this in the blues you use to identify as a diffent Fleet? This won't be noticeable if in the cabinets for best army judging and will be quick and easily identifiable on the table top.

Anyhoo, I'm guessing your happy with the models and don't have many choices to swap out? If so my first thought was Leviathan, it provides a general level of resilience army wide. However, considering your current plan I'm feeling Kraken. Kraken will allow your 'running' models to get up the board sooner so that they can support the deep strikiers. I'd also be tempted to use the kraken relic on the the tervigon. This way the terv will gain -2 to hit from the malenthrope. May have to spend cp to go double relic. Whilst the Mal gives a buff to the brood lord too. Only thing here is that they could do with a small screen that the tervigon can increase in time, I'm guessing this will be your flesh borers?

Kraken will allow the trygon, Flyrant and the stealers to disengage from combat and re charge too. Plus it allows rippers to move further towards objectives if they need (the turn after DS).

If you do go split fleets there a good argument for behemoth and jormangander possibly...

hope this helps, best of luck too!


ps how did you get a GT ticket do they go on sale on the website, I'm keen to join for the next rounds...

[dwez]

Jan 11, 2018 6:23:12 GMT avasraali said:

Hi Dwez,

Word of warning before I start - I am NOT an experienced 40k player. I am however an experienced theorycrafter in other games. As such, take my comments with a pinch of salt - but I may at least raise questions for you to think about.

First - From what I can see of the 40k meta right now, HQ units tend to be more often a tax on detachments than super-strong units in their own right. That's not to say HQ units are bad, but that often you don't want to go too heavy on them. The first question I have therefore is whether the Broodlord and Malanthrope are accomplishing a huge amount. For the broodlord, I note your 'stealers are entering via Trygon tunnels - as such, the Broodlord is going to have to slog across the map on foot to reach and buff the 'stealers. I get that Broodlords are fast, but equally half the point of Deep Strike is to bring your units in at vulnerable or important points in your enemy's formation - so there's a good chance he's going to need to go THROUGH some enemies to get within 6" of the stealer brood. It may well work out, but it seems like it's unreliable, particularly since he's going to outstrip the units I presume you're relying on to screen him from incoming fire.

The Malanthrope also seems out of place. Don' get me wrong, Malanthropes are awesome - but part of their role is using their spores to screen your advancing units. In your list however, most of your high value units are deep striking in where they won't get the benefit of the Malanthrope aura. He's screening the basic Termagants, the Hive Guard (which I assume are being screened by the termies), the Tervigon and the Broodlord (who will presumably run out of the aura pretty quickly to get to the stealers and support).

It seems to me that if you're running a Malanthrope to screen your initial deployment, and also running a Tervigon to buff and regenerate your Termagants, you might do better to not go as all-in on Trygon deep strikes and instead invest more heavily in your non-DS troops. This is particularly given Tervigons are pretty expensive, points-wise, so you really want them to be bringing in their money's worth on buffing the Devilgaunts and replacing their ablative fleshborer meatshield (which again requires it to catch up with the DS group).

One further note - given the only DS synapse creature you're running is the Flyrant, I assume you're dropping both Trygons and their payloads fairly close together? Granted 'stealers don't really need synapse support (given high Ld and no instinctive behaviour) but having the option seems sensible.

Just a few thoughts - feel free to ignore or tell me I'm woefully incorrect as appropriate!

I think you've done a spot on assessment of my list actually. You're right the HQs are a burden but I need two battalions for the extra CPs with the only alternative option of going Brigade which will save me a HQ but throw in Elites and Fast Attacks, which I can field with Spore Mines and a couple of Lictors but don't want to run either.

I could put the Broodlord in the other tunnel so they coulld come up together but that would put the Devgaunts with the Tervigon and Malanthrope on the plus side benefiting from both but negative side actually less likely to have an impact on the game. Hopefully the Broodlord will survive the slog by benefit of not being the nearest Character and then when the Deep Strikes arrive being less of an immediate threat as well.

Indeed the Malanthrope is a little out of place. Alternatively I could run a Neurothrope but I've no experience with them or a Tyranid Prime, which would buff the Warriors but I only really took them to fill a troop slot and as back field Synapse so I don't see investing in making them better as cost effective. Every other HQ is more expensive but the only real alternative is to remove it and throw in another Flyrant which would have a big impact, but I'll need to find another 50pts for that and I've already started stripping things back [25 brood Termagants and 17 brood Stealers when I prefer the max to take best advantage of the buffs and factor in some casualty redundancy] so don;t know what I can do to shoehorn that in.

Yes the Synapse is thin up front, a Trygon Prime would have added that function, which might be easier to find points-wise 24 but it's still difficult for me to see where I can get it apart for take out some of the Adrenal Glands, some of the Fleshborer Gaunts or a Hive Guard [which I'm really loathe to do].

Thanks for your input, the theory I think is spot on I'm just not entirely sure if it's possible to fix the problems. Perhaps I've set limitations on choice that are incompatible with a competitive list

[dwez]

Jan 11, 2018 7:09:08 GMT tomb said:

Firstly is there anything official from WHW that hive fleets need to be differentiated. You have an amazing scheme and a great looking army. I wonder if you could just use a 5mm section of base at the rear of the base and paint this in the blues you use to identify as a diffent Fleet? This won't be noticeable if in the cabinets for best army judging and will be quick and easily identifiable on the table top.

Anyhoo, I'm guessing your happy with the models and don't have many choices to swap out? If so my first thought was Leviathan, it provides a general level of resilience army wide. However, considering your current plan I'm feeling Kraken. Kraken will allow your 'running' models to get up the board sooner so that they can support the deep strikiers. I'd also be tempted to use the kraken relic on the the tervigon. This way the terv will gain -2 to hit from the malenthrope. May have to spend cp to go double relic. Whilst the Mal gives a buff to the brood lord too. Only thing here is that they could do with a small screen that the tervigon can increase in time, I'm guessing this will be your flesh borers?

Kraken will allow the trygon, Flyrant and the stealers to disengage from combat and re charge too. Plus it allows rippers to move further towards objectives if they need (the turn after DS).

If you do go split fleets there a good argument for behemoth and jormangander possibly...

hope this helps, best of luck too!


ps how did you get a GT ticket do they go on sale on the website, I'm keen to join for the next rounds...

No official line by WHW that I'm aware of regarding differentiation but just for ease on the day I would want tdifferentiation but I'm not about to repaint. Jes Bickham has started painting different coloured Hive Fleets to his well documented Gorgon scheme so I'm figuring that's what they want. I've already plenty of ways to differentiaite broods, but the differences are minor and time consuming in-game to extend it to suggest they're Hive Fleet variances. It's a minor annoyance really as although I think various Hive Fleet adaptations are valid in a single Hive Fleet - as they always adapt its really just a lot of faffing otherwise!

Behemoth was my first choice as I felt with the Trygons, Stealers and Flyrant arriving the ability to re-roll charges would be invaluable in active benefits. That said Kraken does indeed add the most in passive benefits, with some active ones too [if you can work out what I mean]. The Kraken Relic might swing it, I don't really need the Maw Claws.

We booked tickets as soon as they went onsale. You just need to keep abreast of the day tickets become available and purchase them first thing [they sell out really quick]. I think the 2018/19 GT will likely begin in October again. Follow the official 40k and GW community page on Facebook to keep notified and use the links they share to purchase the tickets when they become available.

[tomb]

Ah I'm not on face book, that's why I miss them!
Cheers will keep a nose to ground... 
Kraken is very good, although I like to add a Kronos supreme command of nurothropes and hive guard personally.

[dwez]

By dropping a Hive Guard and the Malanthrope and a few points here and there I replaced the Mal with another Flyrant with Devs and MRCs.

So I've lost the back/mid field cover buff from the Mal and the high strength shots from the Hive Guard

Instead I get redundancy on my existing Flyrant, more mobile synapse. Lots of low AP shots and extra psychic abilities.

Better or worse? Have to check about how much is reserve deployment though...

[dwez]

Yeah, looks like I've got 8 units in reserve, so I'd have to go with a ripper unit on the board or a Flyrant perhaps?

[dwez]

Looks like I can use the Alien Cunning Warlord trait to deploy one of the Flyrants as my Warlord on the board and then take him off and deep strike. Does that break the Tactical Reserve rule or the 'locale' FAQ do you think?

Of course this is only an issue with the twin flyrants, if I stick with the Malanthrope it's all good.

So which is better, Flyrant or Malanthrope+Hive Guard?