Land and Air List Idea 2K Points

[bolzor]

After a few games of 8th I've had some moderate successes but, all in all, little fun playing a horde list that I've been running.  I wanted to try some new approach and theorize this on the boards.

++ Kraken Battalion ++

HQ

Winged Hive Tyrant - Monstrous Rending Claws, Miasma Cannon, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs

Winged Hive Tyrant - Monstrous Rending Claws, Devourers with BLW, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Chameleonic Skin

Troops

Ripper Swarms x 3

Ripper Swarms x 3

Termagants x 30 - 30 Devourers

Fast Attack

Gargoyles x 30

Heavy Support

Trygon


++ Kraken Battalion ++

HQ

Neurothrope

Old One Eye

Troops

Genestealers x 20

Hormagaunts x 30

Termagants x 22

Heavy Support

Carnifex - 2x Monstrous Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands, Bone Mace, Spore Cysts

Carnifex - 2x Monstrous Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands, Bone Mace, Spore Cysts


The basic concept would be to have the army deliver itself in a one-two punch combo.  Turn 1 is about a shock and awe strike, bringing the Hive Tyrants and Gargoyles onto juicy targets that they can harass while the Trygon delivers the Devilgaunt blob to double tap any soft or medium armored targets.  Hopefully the target saturation would make it difficult to prioritize the mostly close combat oriented force that is speeding across the table to come to grips.  I figure the two Flyrants could do some serious work with their close combat and shooting as they strike and fade against backfield units alongside the big brood of Gargoyles.  Counting on the likely scenario that the Trygon would go down quickly from concentrated fire but, if he draws enough shooting, then it leaves other elements to continue pressing their assault.  I imagine the initial force would begin waning in Turn 2... hopefully right when the second punch crashes into their front line.

[nidzy]

I think this is a solid horde look, I have a few questions about wargear: I understand Miasma cannon, but why reaper over chamelionic skin in Kraken? Chamelionic seems better to me and will help you soak more damage. You can give him MRC and TS and keep most of that output.

I think you want tusks on those carnifex for the extra attack. At str 6 they need all the chances to wound they can get.

The AT in this list relies on getting to the enemy lines. I just worry that you will have so many bodies getting there that it is going to seem a little bit crowded and may be tough for the slower fex to get in where they want to go before turn 3. I am sure it is manageable, but just a thought.

[bolzor]

I didn't even really think about that to be honest. MRC with Toxin Sacs hits for 4 wounds compared to the Reaper's 6, but also has the much improved AP and is cheaper to boot. It really does make me wonder why the Monstrous Bonesword and Lashwhip are even a thing. You're right, too, that throwing the Chameleonic skin on him will then make for a very tough target to gun down. Will certainly be editing the list to adjust.

I agree on the tusks. I used to always plop them down on my fexes (and I may well do so again) but every game so far has seen dead Fexes on turn 1 and 2. I'm curious to see if this new deep strike block increases their lifespan. If so, I may put a little more investment in them to make sure they hit as hard as possible when they close out the game.

[kazetanade]

2 Carnifexen vs 2 Flyrants..... i actually wonder why they're shooting the Fexen. That's not even a comparison.

Tusks on melee Fexes are like... mandatory. Same with ES on the shooting Fex. Actually you should really try shooting Fexes.