Please help my brothers

[erzatsweird]

My brothers and I are new to 40k. They each got a starting box, one of chaos demons and one of eldar. If you help create army lists for them that would be awesome. 
Daemons model list:
-9 khorne blood letters (banner of chaos, instrument of chaos)
-1 khorne bloodreaper
-9 plaguebearers of nurgle(banner of chaos, instrument of chaos)
-1 plagueridden
-3 nurglings
-3 screamers of tzneech
- 7 seekers of slanesh
- 1 heartseeker
- 1burning chariot of tzeneech

Eldar model list:
- 1 waveserpent 
- 4 dire avengers
- 1 dire avenger exarch (diresword and shurikan pistol)
-10 guardian defenders
- 1 vyper

Thanks for your help with this.

[LordPathos]

For the Eldar you are gonna need an HQ minimum. With that you can run a tiny CAD. If you want something that can throw Psychic Powers everywhere without a care in the world, Farseer. If you want a something that you can set up for any role, Autarch. If you want a fast, heavy hitting, ObSec troops, Windriders. Super powerful gun platform with access to D weapons, Wraithknight.

[koffietje]

also... why not go to a deamon forum and an eldar forum?

And as for the rest of my useless advice... play them...find out what works and what doesnt. Learn to get to know the game together and have fun.

[erzatsweird]

May 24, 2016 19:59:29 GMT koffietje said:

also... why not go to a deamon forum and an eldar forum?

And as for the rest of my useless advice... play them...find out what works and what doesnt. Learn to get to know the game together and have fun.

Because I play nids. But I will look around for some other forums. 

[erzatsweird]

any help on the daemons yet?

[No One]

Don't know daemons very well either, but they've got the same issue as the Eldar - no HQ, so can't run anything other than the Start Collecting formations I'm assuming (no idea what the daemon ones do). Really depends on what they want to do with them as to what to suggest. Nurglings are solid objective grabbers (they're literally better rippers). Daemon summoning is pretty competitive, but very model heavy. I don't think Khorne daemons are great (outside of Khorne Daemonkin), with the exception of fleshhounds (and they're still better with KDK). No clue on Slaanesh daemons - OK I think? For HQs...Herald of Tzeentch is probably your best cheap one (though no idea what the other gods' ones are like). Daemon Prince of Nurgle...I can't remember if they get marks or Daemon of X. If they get daemon, rather than marks, a Nurgle DP would be pretty good - 2+ jink save (Nurgle gives shrouded). Otherwise...Lord of Change or Keeper of Secrets would probably be best I think. Bloodthirster just doesn't have the survivability base I don't think, unless you're going KDK (feel no pain, can summon more etc). Belakor is also a really nasty one - guaranteed access to Invis, also gets shrouded base, so 2+ jink. Separate dataslate though, so don't think you can take him in an actual daemon CAD. Other useful units...soul grinder's pretty good I think, not sure about what else. Screamers/flesh hounds are decent/good fast cc units. No idea on what else.

[erzatsweird]

Thanks for that Noone, it's also good to see you've made it to tyrant.

[No One]

Huh, hadn't even noticed.

[snowdaman]

Well you could use the burning chariot as a herald on a chariot.

Or if you got all the stuff that come in the normal burning chariot box you should have the bits to make a burning chariot and a herald on foot ( minus the base.)

Or herald on chariot and exalted flamer on foot again minus the base.

As for a list depends what you want to do you could literally take everything there just as it is.

Do you have the curse of the wolfen campaign book? Lots of bonuses to each of the daemons on that book.

I play tzeentch daemons often but I do know a little of other daemons

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[snowdaman]

Blood letters are a good anti marine counter charge close combat unit. With better ws, int and ap 3 weapons they kill marines pretty good.

Plague bearers are shrouded and have poison cc weapons. So good at hiding on an objective

Nurglings also have shrouded and also good at holding objectives.

Scearmers are jet bikes that can move over something and hit then on the way as well as trade their attacks for a str 5 armour bane ap 1 or 2 I can't remember

Seekers are fast and have a lot of rending attacks

Burning chariot has a str 5 ap 3 torrent flamer or a 18 inch str 9 ap 2 d3 shots.

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[Hive Tyrant Qiln]

Lamprey's bite on Screamers is AP 1. Everything else is right, and just do what noone said and proxy it as a herald on a chariot.

[snowdaman]

The new Tzeentch powers are pretty good.

You could also take the endless grimour and have all the powers of tzeentch but it's pretty expensive expecially since you will need to increase the heralds mastery level to be able to cast more then one power.

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[Hive Tyrant Qiln]

Well if he's going to do Tzeentch I have 3 things for him to learn:
1 - Expect to buy a lot of blue paint.
2 - Buy blue spray primer. You'll NEED it.
3 - Don't expect to keep a steady girlfriend when you have occult monster figures in your house. Especially if bringing some nurgle to bulk out your force. Unless you strike out lucky and find a wargamer girl, like I did.
4 - Fateweaver is essential for your force of Tzeentch to work. A grimoire would also be favorable.
5 - Notice how I went over 2 things? Welcome to the armies of Tzeentch kid.

[erzatsweird]

he's more into khorne but I'm sure this will come in handy. Also, he's just gone into what I assume is middle school in America, so I don't think girlfriend will be a problem yet.

[snowdaman]

If he's into Khorne then he can start with what he got and slowly grow his army into a Khorne army. Or into Khorne daemon kin.

Who are fearless so you don't have to worry about the Daemonic instability. They can summon things and get bonuses when things die. Either theirs or the enemies.

And the best part they don't have to worry about the warp storm table. Which does nothing most of the time. But when it does 50% it good and the other 50% it's bad.

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