Help with competitive 200 point nid list

[TheHiveKing]

so i am fairly new to 40k. i have played a few games with the starter set and a few tyranid models i have built and painted. i am willing to buy some models, but try to keep it cheap

HQ
hive tyrant: Wings. 2x TL devourers with BLW and electro shock grubs. 240
hive tyrant: Wings. 2x TL devourers with BLW and electro shock grubs. 240

Troops
4 rippers: deep strike. 60
10 termagants with 5 devourers 60
10 termagants with 5 devourers 60
10 termagants with 5 devourers 60

Elites
Malanthrope 85
2 Zoanthropes with 1 neurothrope 175

Heavy support
Mawloc 140
mawloc 140
2 carnifex with 2x TLDs each. 300

Fast attack
10 Gargoyles 60
Hive Crone. 155
Hive crone 155
Total points: 1990

right now i have one hive tyrant, 2 zoanthropes, 15 genestealers, 1 tyranid swarm box, and 1 mawloc. i am planning to run that army list what do you think?

[gigasnail]

It's a good start. Be aware how goofy termagants out of synapse can act, it can be very frustrating.

[TheHiveKing]

Apr 9, 2016 23:31:58 GMT gigasnail said:

It's a good start. Be aware how goofy termagants out of synapse can act, it can be very frustrating.

yeah, they become a lot squishier when out of synapse. I am going to try to keep them close the malanthrope

[No One]

Looks pretty good - other than the ubiquitous 'take more flyrants ' (you'll probably want more than 2 at 2k if you're trying to be competitive. Surprised giga didn't suggest this already ) looks solid.

A couple of mostly minor things:
1. If you swap to double CAD (or if that's not an option CAD+HFD if you can build/get a mucolid or CAD+allies if that's allowed) you can take the carnis in 2 separate squads - prevents overkill and mitigates IB.
2. My experience with 10 gargs is they just die without doing much, even at 1500. Possibly drop them for a venom - that gives you a bit of redundancy with the mal, and also gives you more options for deployment. Or you could drop them and 2 zoans for another crone (or mawloc/fex if you've got another detachment).
3. The extra ripper base is probably going to do nothing - if they're actually trying to kill the rippers, they're dead. Probably better off grabbing a couple of extra gaunts in each squad.

[TheHiveKing]

Apr 10, 2016 0:46:58 GMT No One said:

Looks pretty good - other than the ubiquitous 'take more flyrants ' (you'll probably want more than 2 at 2k if you're trying to be competitive. Surprised giga didn't suggest this already ) looks solid.

A couple of mostly minor things:
1. If you swap to double CAD (or if that's not an option CAD+HFD if you can build/get a mucolid or CAD+allies if that's allowed) you can take the carnis in 2 separate squads - prevents overkill and mitigates IB.
2. My experience with 10 gargs is they just die without doing much, even at 1500. Possibly drop them for a venom - that gives you a bit of redundancy with the mal, and also gives you more options for deployment. Or you could drop them and 2 zoans for another crone (or mawloc/fex if you've got another detachment).
3. The extra ripper base is probably going to do nothing - if they're actually trying to kill the rippers, they're dead. Probably better off grabbing a couple of extra gaunts in each squad.

thanks fro the tips. i like the idea of dropping the gargs for a genome. one question: if a unit is in range of both the malanthrope and the venom will they get the extra cover from both of them? I would love running a third or even fourth tyrant, but right now thats not an option as it will cost a ton of more money.

[No One]

one question: if a unit is in range of both the malanthrope and the venom will they get the extra cover from both of them?

Hah, no. That'd be pretty nasty (until you start running into ignores cover). Both malanthropes and venoms grant shrouded, not +2 cover - since you can only benefit from a special rule once, you only get +2 cover from shrouded.

I would love running a third or even fourth tyrant, but right now thats not an option as it will cost a ton of more money.

Yeah, I understand money woes - but think about it this way. A flyrant costs only slightly more (monetarily) than a fex (of course, the Start Collecting box is slightly more if you want a good deal as well - you're basically buying a flyrant and gargs and getting a warrior kit for free). If you drop one of the dakkafexes and extra zoans/gargs for a flyrant, you haven't really spent anymore money and your list is a whole lot more effective.

[TheHiveKing]

Apr 10, 2016 6:21:28 GMT No One said:

one question: if a unit is in range of both the malanthrope and the venom will they get the extra cover from both of them?

Hah, no. That'd be pretty nasty (until you start running into ignores cover). Both malanthropes and venoms grant shrouded, not +2 cover - since you can only benefit from a special rule once, you only get +2 cover from shrouded.

I would love running a third or even fourth tyrant, but right now thats not an option as it will cost a ton of more money.

Yeah, I understand money woes - but think about it this way. A flyrant costs only slightly more (monetarily) than a fex (of course, the Start Collecting box is slightly more if you want a good deal as well - you're basically buying a flyrant and gargs and getting a warrior kit for free). If you drop one of the dakkafexes and extra zoans/gargs for a flyrant, you haven't really spent anymore money and your list is a whole lot more effective.

Hmm. Might have to try that. how do i fit in the third tyrant? what formation should i take?

[gigasnail]

2nd CAD with just a flyrant and 2 mucolid for the cheap, or a pair of ripper broods if you have some points and want more obsec

HFD nets you 3 flyrants by itself, but your gribblies will all loose obsec, which may or may not matter.

Cheapest option to add a 3rd flyrant is an allied detachment, but most places have gone away from same-faction allied detachments being legal.

[tomb]

I hope this ok with the forum rules; you might want to look into buying models second hand (possibly from an online auction). This may help you boost your army quickly and for a reasonable price.

The lists good but do you need to use all your termigants? Maybe save some points for the start collecting box (if this is how you intend to pick up a third flyrant)...

I find that games at 2000 pts take a long time, termigants slow things down a fair bit. Plus that's a lot of painting!

Maybe try more rippers. You should have a fair amount of rippers from your stealers and gaunts?

Hope this helps.

[TheHiveKing]

So, my friend decided to make Tau. How exactly can i beat them?

[No One]

Hmm. Might have to try that. how do i fit in the third tyrant? what formation should i take?

What giga said (Double CAD or Hive Fleet Detachment (HFD) - both give you an extra hq slot, and you've already got the troops to run either), but if neither of those is an option for whatever reason, the Start Collecting box has a formation for an extra flyrant (flyrant+warriors+gargs) - you've got the warrior tax, but I think that's well worth it to fit in another flyrant if you can't somewhere else. The formation benefit (basically can redeploy gargs through ds, even from combat) is pretty neat as well.

So, my friend decided to make Tau. How exactly can i beat them?

I think your list is actually pretty decent anti-Tau (especially with a 3rd flyrant) - mawlocs to take out suits before interceptor, and crones/flyrants to do damage. Everything else is probably just going to die though. As long as he's not taking really nasty stuff or list tailoring, should be pretty decent I think.
Basic advice - kill the markerlights first (crones are good for this). Then he's hitting on 4s/6s, with little to no ignores cover. If you don't get rid of them, then he's got ignores cover and will be able to hit stuff (even flyers) just fine.

There's a thread for facing Tau in the vs. thread section.

[TheHiveKing]

thanks for all the help guys!! most appreciated.

[TheHiveKing]

Ik this is an old thread, but i am in need of your help once more. i have changed up the list a little bit.

HQ
hive tyrant: Wings. 2x TL devourers with BLW and electro shock grubs. 240
hive tyrant: Wings. 2x TL devourers with BLW and electro shock grubs. 240

Troops
4 rippers: deep strike. 60
10 termagants with 5 devourers 60
10 termagants with 5 devourers 60
10 termagants with 5 devourers 60

Elites
Venomthrope 45
Malanthrope 85
2 Zoanthropes with 1 neurothrope 175

Heavy support
Mawloc 140
mawloc 140
2 carnifex with 2x TLDs each. 300

Fast attack
Hive Crone. 155
Hive crone 155
Total points: 1975

is it ok if i downgrade the malanthrope to a venom? i would save money and points at the same time. i would then have an extra 75 points to play with what could i use those points for? thanks in advance

[kazetanade]

If you keep the Venom out of line of sight, it's legit. Get a tyrannocyte drop pod and give it one of the pieplates for 100 points, bringing you up to 2k.

Buyer that would mean you'd have to buy the model, and it's expensive...

[No One]

Yeah, you'd be better off getting another flyrant instead. A mal is definitely the better option, but if you don't want to fork out for FW, a venom will definitely do - as kazetanade said, try to keep them out of LoS as much as possible.

Other than that - the only advice I can give you is the advice I already gave.