Battle Report for Sept 19th

[shadowfinder]

This is for battle reports for a test tournament on the September 19th. I am looking at 4 list right now for the tournament. A couple will depend on if I get things painted or not.

A link to the list in the army section.

thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/50166/4-list-end-week-vote

Please take a look and see what they are.

I don't know the mission being played as they have not been posted. But it will be 3 out of the 4 posted on this website.

www.40kambassadors.com/missions.php

All the mission are unique and make you for the most part have to balance you list. 5 Flyrants would be a auto loss on mission 3 I think. So list building is a bigger part then in a lot of tournament that I have been to.
Let me know what you think.

[shadowfinder]

Here is the list I decided to try our for the next tournament. I have decided not to use any mawloc's as of yet. If I see I could have used one or two I will drop the one or both of the Toxicrene or Haruspex. Hopefully the preform they way I want if not I have a solid alternate list to fall back on.

Also trying a 5 man unit of shrikes to see if they work well. I was thinking 4 but will try 5. I can always drop if it isn't needed.

With 3 flyrants and 2 Fex's I should have almost over whelming fire power when they come in.

Let me know what you think of the list.

I will have battle report or all 3 games in the next week. to help chew on the option I have taken.



+++ Elven Embasador Tournament (2000pts) +++

++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++

+ No Force Org Slot (150pts) +

Tyrannocyte [5x Deathspitters]

Tyrannocyte [5x Deathspitters]

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]

Hive Tyrant [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]

+ Elites +

Haruspex [Adrenal Glands]

Venomthrope Brood [Venomthrope]

+ Troops

Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]

Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]

+ Fast Attack

Tyranid Shrike Brood
Tyranid Shrike [Adrenal Glands, Devourer, Flesh Hooks, Lashwhip & Boneswords, Toxin Sacs]
Tyranid Shrike [Adrenal Glands, Devourer, Flesh Hooks, Lashwhip & Boneswords, Toxin Sacs]
Tyranid Shrike [Adrenal Glands, Devourer, Flesh Hooks, Rending Claws, Toxin Sacs]
Tyranid Shrike [Adrenal Glands, Devourer, Flesh Hooks, Rending Claws, Toxin Sacs]
Tyranid Shrike [Adrenal Glands, Devourer, Flesh Hooks, Rending Claws, Toxin Sacs]

+ Heavy Support

Carnifex Brood
Carnifex [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms]

Carnifex Brood
Carnifex [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms]

Toxicrene



+ Fortification +

Aegis Defense Line [Comms Relay]

+ Formation (+

Sporefield
Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]
Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]
Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]
Spore Mine Cluster [3x Spore Mine]
Spore Mine Cluster [3x Spore Mine]
Spore Mine Cluster [3x Spore Mine]

++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++

+ HQ

Hive Tyrant [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]

+ Troops ( +

Mucolid Spore Cluster ( [Mucolid Spore]

Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]

[jurassicpork]

IMHO I would not run shrikes without a unit of gargs in front to provide cover and a tarpit.

Shrikes only work when they make it to combat...

.... They do NOT make it to combat in real games without gargs and shrouding.

[shadowfinder]

Sept 20, 2015 7:58:53 GMT jurassicpork said:

IMHO I would not run shrikes without a unit of gargs in front to provide cover and a tarpit.

Shrikes only work when they make it to combat...

.... They do NOT make it to combat in real games without gargs and shrouding.

Well mine has shrouding and I never run Garg's and they made it in to combat just fine.

Shrouding is nice but being in cover works well to. I use the unit two ways. As a counter assault unit that hold my backfield or as a deep -strike unit to come in with my Fex's and tyrants. To give my opponent a harder choice as to what he wants running around his back field. Works really well.

You use garg's as a tax too run shrikes it seams???


Shrikes make it in to combat in REAL games with OUT shrouding and garg's just fine.

[shadowfinder]

Forward to the battle report.

We had 12 people show up. Which was a nice turnout for the second tournament at a new store.
We had a surprise with no Eldar showing up but their was 2 cron players one running DK as CtA allies. Two Tyranid players one with nurgule. Dark Eldar made a showing. A farsite bomb with the Eldar formation fliers. White scars with with a IK with Gatling gun. Dark angles. A nasty sktari/SM list. And a Fluffy Blood angles armored company list. A AM/IG list. A pure IG list with Flyiers.

We used the mission found here. www.40kambassadors.com/missions.php
We used Mission 1, 3, and 4.

I will have the first battle report up today.

[jurassicpork]

I used the term "real games" referring to tournament games, not trying to ruffle your feathers.

The gargs aren't really a tax, you can't really argue that going from a 5+ to a 3+ doesn't improve durability... And hey, if your deep striking the shrikes, the gargs can ds too.

[shadowfinder]

In round one I played vs a AM list with lost of deep-striking ap3 hot guns with some guy that could make them shoot like snipers for one round a shooting with a order.

The mission had 6 objective. 3 in each deployment. They objective in your opponents zone where primary with 9 points each. While the one in you deployment where worth only 3 at the end of the game. I place d the Tox and the Has behind the ADL with the venom and all my tyrants. I placed all the Spores around the 3 objectives to make getting to them hard.

My appoint place 5 taurse on the board and a unit of 3 hydras holding his side of the board. He also placed a large blob squad of death that had some psycher and priest in and out of cover. He deep-striked 6 or 7 unit as well.

Turn one I moved forward with the 3 Tyrants immobilized one Taurus and killed a 3rd of the blob squad. Getting a couple of the Heavy lasecannons in it.

His turn he Moved two Taurus to the far left to go for the objectives. His hydra went after my warlord and did a wound.

My turn I fly the warlord behind the hydras and open fire killing on and putting 2 glances on another. My other tyrants went after two tanks killing on and immobilizing the other. My two fexs came in and the killed his other Taurus. The warriors landed close to the blob and killed a few of them with shooting. I think he had a 4+ inv. on them.

His turn two unit came in and landed all around army back field with a couple landing with a clear shot at the tox. he made them sniper and they did like 7 wounds and I made 5 5+ save to live. the rest of his army fires in to it and does nothing with it's cover save. He then shot the warlord again with the hydra needing 5's to hit and does 7 wounds to my tyrant. I then roll 4 ones to kill him.

The rest of the game goes with me killing his units off one by one in his hlf of the field. My tox handle 3 rounds of shooting including trying to kill it self with it's large blast. I rolled a 6 to wound my self but made my 4+ save other wise I would have ID myself. The Has was out of position most the game but only contested a objective in the end.

Last turn he get 2 6 inch runs to grab point s in my back field.

Final score was 28 to 30 Tyranid win.

In this game the Tox did some really good work. I did get lucky with the 5+ saves in the second round but not having to have the venom made him really nice.

The Has didn't do much of anything but weather some shooting.

I did find the sporefield formation was useful in my deployment but was rendered useless in deploying anywhere else. This was a trend in most of the games. I was very disappointed in that.

[tylertt]

Thanks for sharing. I was really interested to see how your list was going to play out. Would you change anything in it, or are you still fairly happy with it overall?

[shadowfinder]

Round 2 I faced a Tyranid / Deaomon nurgle list with two GUO and 3 hive tyrants and two grinders. plus a crone and a few other small unit.

The game went badly for me at first. I couldn't kill his tyrants they both had 3 wounds left by the end game. the tox kill some plague drones that where summoned with one wound left and I then ran for cover in the center of the board.

The Haruspex was killed by a soul grinder. I would have lost the game if my opponent hadn't missed read the mission allowing me to pull out a win in the end.
19 to 36 Tyranid win.

I will have to watch out for this mission if I face Deamons in the next tournament.

Round 3 I faced A new IK with the Gatling gun and white scars. My list does really well vs white scars normally. The guy I played had never faced Tyranids and was a little scared of everything. He scouted toward me and I went first. I killed two gav units and weathered all his shooting . Having all the mulcids all around the table was nice as it made it had for him to move with out getting in to charge range of something.

He podded in the formation that can assault when it comes in and had a grav unit in the pods trying to beta strike me in the second turn. The Haruspex really shined here as it ate units and stayed at full health the hole game. After killing the bikes I went after the IK with the tyrants but I couldn't kill the darn thing. We ended the game with him killing my warlord for 1 point.

I won 40 to 2

I went 3-0 winning First place by 40 point in the format.


As for the list and unit, what I will change?
The list worked really well in areas. I feel the sporefield formation is nice but didn't work the way I wanted. It did allow me to protect any objective in my deployment zone really well but I can do that with out the formation and for less.

The Tox was amazing the first game. I got lucky with the 5+ rolls first turn. But after that with a 2+ getting the last two hit points wasn't possible. I had lost the venom turn 3 as it ran away. Having it's own shrouded makes it a good independent operator. the next two missions he was ok but I would have gotten more out of a dakka fex I feel.

The Haruspex was great once he got in to combat. Otherwise he didn't do much. In the second game he died manly because he got blinded and was assaulted by a soul grinder. Hitting on 5 hurts a lot. In the last mission he did his job of defending the back field really well. He cleared out the units that cam in working well with the shrike in taking out units and pods. As a back field guy you don't expect to do much with he is great. With a price drop he will be a decent unit to have back there.

Shrikes worked really well as lots of people has said before. Having them back with the haus and tox they owned the back field pretty well. I had a huge 4+ cover save with the ADL and the venom worked well for the 2+ for them.
Many people underestimated the charge range with them. With fleet and a 12" move the love hoping out of cover and dual charging units. This allowed them to stay in combat for sure tell my next turn for they could assault again of run away. The only thing I have to say is watch out for Blob squads of death with a 4+ invl.. The shrikes would have had them if it wasn't for that power.

All the other units work well Flyrants and the like. The pods work really well in the rear armor av10 with all the guns can shoot at it. they killed every thing they shot that way was very nice. People re still surprised when the pod moves 6 inches. LOL

For the next tournament I will be dropping the Toxicrene, Haruspex, and the sporefield formation.

I will be taking the another dakka fex and a pod. I will also put a mawloc in as it will be help full with two of the mission s I found out by play testing this mission at the tournament.

Over all the List worked as I won First place. But I did get lucky with the second battle. In two game of the 3 even the MC that are considered bad did well.

Will be interesting to see how a list build more in line with a trapdoor spider would work with the Toxicrene, Haruspex in it. I see them work well in that type of list. Not so much in a Null deployment style like mine.

[WestRider]

Congratulations, dude! Wish I could have made it, but I caught a really nasty cold from my nephew. Hopefully I'll get to throw down against you on the 10th.

[shadowfinder]

Sept 23, 2015 16:18:00 GMT WestRider said:

Congratulations, dude! Wish I could have made it, but I caught a really nasty cold from my nephew. Hopefully I'll get to throw down against you on the 10th.

Hope to see you in October. I was sad you here not their I think you would have had a lot of fun.

I would stay away from your Nephew for week before the next tournament though.. Just saying. lol

[WestRider]

I'm at least taking Airborne before I go over there every time now

[saxif]

Sounds like a blast, I don't deal with much deep striking so rarely leave much in my backfield. It typically is Tyranids wading forwards under fire to capture objectives and kill dangerous units. If I leave anything back its usually a unit of warriors with BS and some terms for company, obviously they get eaten by anything that's worth deep striking in though!

I was surprised you took the Haruspex and Toxicrene, given they are typically viewed as a weaker choice compared to the dakka fex, though I do like the shrouded bubble of the toxicrene as it goes a bit further and is much harder to remove.

[shadowfinder]

Sept 26, 2015 9:42:00 GMT saxif said:

Sounds like a blast, I don't deal with much deep striking so rarely leave much in my backfield. It typically is Tyranids wading forwards under fire to capture objectives and kill dangerous units. If I leave anything back its usually a unit of warriors with BS and some terms for company, obviously they get eaten by anything that's worth deep striking in though!

I was surprised you took the Haruspex and Toxicrene, given they are typically viewed as a weaker choice compared to the dakka fex, though I do like the shrouded bubble of the toxicrene as it goes a bit further and is much harder to remove.

I love playing null deployment but the mission kind of need a more balanced list. Not that I am taking a more balanced list to the next one.

As for the to Haruspex and Toxicrene they did well. The Tox was better as his job is mainly to hide and soak-up incoming fire in cover. The Harspx is needing some work and he need to have Adrenal gland which makes him even more expensive. All in all I will take them again in the future as they are great models and they can do some work at times.

As you can see I Won a small RT tournament or 12 to 16 people.

I know everyone goes the other units but our other MC list are not that bad to be honest. They need improvement but they can still serve if you play them smart.

[natelicious]

Sept 26, 2015 9:42:00 GMT saxif said:

Sounds like a blast, I don't deal with much deep striking so rarely leave much in my backfield. It typically is Tyranids wading forwards under fire to capture objectives and kill dangerous units. If I leave anything back its usually a unit of warriors with BS and some terms for company, obviously they get eaten by anything that's worth deep striking in though!

I was surprised you took the Haruspex and Toxicrene, given they are typically viewed as a weaker choice compared to the dakka fex, though I do like the shrouded bubble of the toxicrene as it goes a bit further and is much harder to remove.

Toxicrene's "Shrouded bubble"?