Revisiting strangle webbers

[gloomfang]

Going through my Nids I dug up 5 strangler webber gaunts. (And 15 metal spike rifle gaunts, but that is different matter).

Just thinking about how pinning works and on a ObSec guarding objective unit they might have a good chance of pinning on overwatch and causing the charge to fail. (If i am reading rules right).

[Kark]

Overwatch cannot cause morale or pinning tests.

Overall it's not OP to use gaunts, but if You want to just stick with fleshborers, maybe some devourers.

[gloomfang]

Missed that when looking at WoD and not referring back to Overwatch.

I could be "that guy" as it could be read that only weapons that fire snap shots can not cause pinning tests as the Overwatch rule explicitly says all much be Snap Shots. In the WoD rule that overwrites that section on how to resolve damage in Overwatch does not specify that you can not cause pinning (specific rule overrules general rule).

[gigasnail]

Book not on hand, but that's kind of stretching it don't you think?

[gloomfang]

Sept 3, 2015 21:12:35 GMT gigasnail said:

Book not on hand, but that's kind of stretching it don't you think?

O definitly. Hence why
I said if I wanted to be "That Guy".

[Kark]

Sept 3, 2015 20:10:43 GMT Kark said:

Overwatch cannot cause morale or pinning tests.

That is actually quote from rulebook

[gloomfang]

Sept 3, 2015 21:35:11 GMT Kark said:

Sept 3, 2015 20:10:43 GMT Kark said:

Overwatch cannot cause morale or pinning test.

That is actually quote from rulebook

I know. The nexat sentence says "Any shots fired as overwatch can only be fired as Snap Shots" The two sentences are in bold. As WoD gets around the second, it can be argued that it also invalidates the first.

[gigasnail]

It's still over watch, which can't cause morale or pinning, regardless of if its a snapshot or not.

[gloomfang]

Sept 3, 2015 22:06:01 GMT gigasnail said:

It's still over watch, which can't cause morale or pinning, regardless of if its a snapshot or not.

RAW no it doesn't.

"SHOTS fired do not" is overwatch. Shots are what you roll to see if you get HITS.

"D3 HITS" is Wall of Death.

As the Overwatch says NO SHOTS, and with WoD there are only hits you can cause pinning as the triggering rule is missing. Unless I missed a FAQ.

[gloomfang]

Quick note. I totally agree that RAI is that no pinning with WoD. Just pointing out a loophole.

[gigasnail]

Yeaaaaah no. This one doesn't pass the "could I seriously look another person in the eye and argue this with a straight face in an actual game" test.

[gloomfang]

Sept 3, 2015 22:44:19 GMT gigasnail said:

Yeaaaaah no. This one doesn't pass the "could I seriously look another person in the eye and argue this with a straight face in an actual game" test.

Me either. I ought to put it up on YMDC and see what they say though for fun.

[gigasnail]

I'm about to roll home, I'll take a more serious look at it but I'm pretty sure we've looked at this before and came to the same conclusion.

[topaxygourouni]

Templates can overwatch but wall of death is not snap shots. States so in the wall of flame rules. Also, there can't be a more crystal clear ruling in the game. Overwatch cannot cause morale or pinning tests. It's simple as that actually.

[gigasnail]

Yeah I'm pretty sure WoD isn't a snapshot, have argued this before.