witchfires such as spirit leech

[biomassbob]

I was just watching a batrep with nids over on mini-wargaming and when spirit leech is used they do not roll 'to hit'. In the comment section this was debated whether this was correct or not (apparently MWG debated this and polled at a previous time and decided to do it this way). Anyways, it seemed that there is a lot of debate about it. Since I am going to play 40k again and I have to learn 7th ed, I was wondering what those that play think. Do psychic powers like spirit leech need a 'to hit' roll or do they hit automatically? Are the rules clear enough or is there interpretation?

[biomassbob]

Just found a few threads on this issue where it was discussed with gnashing of teeth and flailing of arms so I guess I don't want to open pandora's box again. So as I understand it, a witchfire needs to roll 'to hit' and if that is the general consensus then fine (regardless that MWG rules the other way).

[sneggy]

I've never understood how anyone could argue that they do not require a to hit roll?

Spirit leech is a witchfire power.

Witchfire powers must roll to hit, unless it has the blast special rule or is a template weapon.


Spirit leech is neither a blast nor a template so it requires a to hit roll. Its right there in black and white as far as I can see it.
Anyone care to enlighten me as to the alternative argument.

[N.I.B.]

All witchfires roll to hit, unless the description of the particular psychic power clearly state that it hits automatically.

[bolk]

Spirit LeecH from the 5th Tyranid codex? That did hit automatically.

[sneggy]

Aug 29, 2015 20:38:30 GMT bolk said:

Spirit LeecH from the 5th Tyranid codex? That did hit automatically.

Spirit Leech the Neurothropes power from Shield of Baal Leviathan.

[hiveminded]

Excellent, this topic again.... *bangs head against wall*


Seriously though, if you want to hear both sides, there was a very long and painful thread about eight months ago on the whether we were interpretting the maleceptor rules correctly.


thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/48062/misreading-rules-revisit-maleceptor


As far as MWG is concerned, they have a houserule in which witchfire powers that have no weapons profile do not need to roll to hit. It makes powers like spirit leech much more effective.

[biomassbob]

I don't want to re-open a mess, especially if the rule is straightforward enough and that is the case as far as I am concerned now. I was confused why MWG was house-ruling it different and since I haven't played 7th yet was wondering if something had changed to make it more confusing. So on that note, let this thread die.

[bolk]

Aug 29, 2015 20:40:41 GMT sneggy said:

Aug 29, 2015 20:38:30 GMT bolk said:

Spirit LeecH from the 5th Tyranid codex? That did hit automatically.

Spirit Leech the Neurothropes power from Shield of Baal Leviathan.

Oh yeah lol, I keep forgetting that power Well, THAT doesn`t say that it automatically hits so it must roll to hit.

[gigasnail]

and all the wishful thinking in the world won't change it. god, i remember that thread lol. good times.

[sneggy]

Aug 29, 2015 20:59:48 GMT biomassbob said:

I don't want to re-open a mess, especially if the rule is straightforward enough and that is the case as far as I am concerned now. I was confused why MWG was house-ruling it different and since I haven't played 7th yet was wondering if something had changed to make it more confusing. So on that note, let this thread die.

Matt from miniwargaming has a tendency to house rule in his favour.
Hence him not using mysterious objectives for ages when he was bringing fliers and his opponent was not.

[gigasnail]

tbf, i don't know anyone that actually uses mysterious objectives.

now, using them when it's to his advantage, and then not when it's not...that's pretty weak. i can't stand miniwargaming so i'm not going to watch their (please do not swear) to find out if that's the case or not though.

[tylertt]

He mainly only uses mysterious objectives now if there is at least one flier, or if they are playing Maelstrom, he will play with them as normal.

gigasnail , do you find MWG hard to watch due to the inconsistencies in the rules? Or just their more casual style of play? I watch them a lot as there is a ton of down time at my job, so it helps pass the time. I have noticed a lot of people becoming annoyed with them lately due to a lot of rule inconsistencies and the like.

[gigasnail]

all of the above. If you're not having fun you're doing it wrong, but you don't need to go out of your way to broseph yourself out of viewers. Some f my friends that were new to 40k liked them a lot, and it was hell to get them t understand that, tactically, what the have in their vids is by and large real bad advice.

[Kwodd]

I think Matt is entertaining so I watch their videos every now and then. If I'm trying to watch a tourney level game and get anything from it I watch frontline bat reps.