Aegis defence line and MCs

[robotoctopus]

Hi guys, just a quick question.

Would a exocrine get the 25% cover save from an Aegis defence line?

I'm looking to park him behind one on the edge of deployment with a venomthrope and comms relay, But I'm unsure if hes too big to benefit from the save..

Am I just wasting my points?

Thanks.

[rpricew]

Measure the vertical height of the exocrine and the aegis line... If 25% then good to go. Most people would say you do, unless you're far back from it and they were shooting from an elevated position.

[mattblowers]

It's a nuanced answer and GW refuses to FAQ it. I think so and the WD tactics hints when the toxicrene released point to yes, that's not a perfect answer (and certainly not definitive proof), but it's least a bit of insight into how it should be played.

[robotoctopus]

Ok so yeah.

The lowest point of an Aegis is 1 inch high, and an Exocrine is only just over 3 inches! Sweet.

Also my tyrannofex is only 4 inches, so that's something.

[Deleted]

Most things in our army can use the ADL just fine. Another important note is the ADL's rules are "each piece of wall must touch one other piece of wall". Aka you can literally have 4 sections in completely different areas of your deployment zone. So if you "attach" the ADL to ruins and buildings in your deployment zone, you can easily obscure most tyranids using the ADL+ building.

[dwez]

Aug 27, 2015 14:38:47 GMT @nidsinrva said:

Most things in our army can use the ADL just fine. Another important note is the ADL's rules are "each piece of wall must touch one other piece of wall". Aka you can literally have 4 sections in completely different areas of your deployment zone. So if you "attach" the ADL to ruins and buildings in your deployment zone, you can easily obscure most tyranids using the ADL+ building.

I always thought that but I think I got suckered into believing it had to be one continuous line somewhere. I'm OK with it though, but always keen on the Imperial Strongpoint formation that allows Bastions and Skyshield to be part of the line, you can really spread out then. I've also seen some interesting deployments in an C [or S] formation so you get a layered obstacle.

[WestRider]

In 6th, the ADL was FAQed to require it to be in one continuous section. However, this FAQ no longer exists in 7th, and that wording was not used for the current Rules in the Stronghold Assault book.

That said, the ITC FAQ does require it to be placed in a single continuous section, so if you're playing in ITC events, that option is not available.

[fearnn]

25% don't apply to MC. MC, like infantry, they always benefit from ADL

[rpricew]

Aug 30, 2015 14:57:31 GMT fearnn said:

25% don't apply to MC. MC, like infantry, they always benefit from ADL

The 25% rule does apply to monstrous creatures. For any non-vehicle model to have a cover save, it must have 25% of it's body obscured. The ADL rules require the model to get a cover save by drawing Line of Sight through the Defence Line.

“A model in cover behind a defence line has a 4+ cover save. If a unit decides to Go to Ground behind a defence line, it gains +2 to its cover save, rather than +1. For the purposes of charge moves, models that are both in base contact with a defence line and within 2" of each other are treated as being in base contact. Despite the models on either side of the defence line not literally being in base contact, the combatants fight nonetheless.”

Excerpt From: Games Workshop. “Warhammer 40,000: Stronghold Assault (eBook Edition).” iBooks. itun.es/us/gGGVT.l

Determining Cover Saves
“If, when you come to allocate a Wound, the target model’s body is at least 25% obscured from the point of view of at least one firer, Wounds allocated to that model receive a cover save. Unless specifically stated otherwise, all cover provides a 5+ save. Some types of terrain provide better or worse cover saves; when this is the case the cover save provided will be stated in the rules for the terrain.”

Excerpt From: Games Workshop. “Warhammer 40,000 (Interactive Edition).” Games Workshop, 2014. iBooks. itun.es/us/kNVz0.l

[WestRider]

The 25% thing applies except for certain Terrain types, like Ruins, that specifically state that it does not.

[N.I.B.]

Aug 30, 2015 16:56:06 GMT WestRider said:

The 25% thing applies except for certain Terrain types, like Ruins, that specifically state that it does not.

Like Battlements, for instance the top of a Bastion.

Speaking of, I've just recently started to use these in my lists and have a couple of questions - do a Bastion (fortifications) give up a kill point when it's destroyed?

Question 2 - when a Bastion is destroyed, it's transformed into a ruin and you can't enter it. But can you fly a FMC onto the top to enjoy the 4+ cover save from the Battlement?

[blackrainbow]

Aug 31, 2015 7:54:14 GMT N.I.B. said:

Aug 30, 2015 16:56:06 GMT WestRider said:

The 25% thing applies except for certain Terrain types, like Ruins, that specifically state that it does not.

Like Battlements, for instance the top of a Bastion.

Speaking of, I've just recently started to use these in my lists and have a couple of questions - do a Bastion (fortifications) give up a kill point when it's destroyed?

Question 2 - when a Bastion is destroyed, it's transformed into a ruin and you can't enter it. But can you fly a FMC onto the top to enjoy the 4+ cover save from the Battlement?

Fortifications do not provide Kill Points, and I would think (but don't know this exactly) that once ruined, a FMC could land on them and gain the 4+ cover save.

[hiveminded]

The fortifications giving up kill points (specifically First Blood) question is one that needs an FAQ, imo. I've seen it argued convincingly both ways.