Astra militarism and Inquisition.

[Halollet]

Well, I've been trying to make my all infantry guard work and with a little help from the inquisition and Cypher, I think I got it. I'll drop the list and then explain how everything works.

Astra Militarium
HQ
Company Command
Astropath Master of Ordanance Vox-Caster Camo gear x4
Company Command
Astropath Master of Ordanance Vox-Caster Camo gear x4
Commissar
Cypher

Troops
Platoon Command
Vox-Caster Flamer x2
Infantry Squad
Bolter Meltagun Vox-Caster
Infantry Squad
Bolter Meltagun
Conscripts x44

Platoon Command
Vox-Caster Grenade Launcher x2
Infantry Squad
Grenade Launcher Autocannon Vox-Caster
Infantry Squad
Grenade Launcher Autocannon
Conscripts x50

Elite
Tempestus Scions x5
Meltagun x2
Tempestus Scions x5
Meltagun x2

Fast Attack
Rough Riders x5
Flamer x1
Rough Riders x5
Flamer x1

Inquisition
Inq. Karamozov

Ordo Xenos Inq
Psyker Force Weapon Servo Skulls x3

Henchmen Warband
Psyker x1
Acolyte w/ Bolter x6
Servitor w/ Plasma Cannon x3

Henchmen Warband
Psyker x1
Acolyte w/ Bolter x3
Henchmen Warband
Psyker x1
Acolyte w/ Bolter x3

Fortifications
Aegis Line

1850 Points
198 Models

So, Cypher gives infiltration, shrouded, TSKNF, and Hit and Run to the blob of 50 conscripts. You can deploy your fortification anywhere on your side of the table, not just in your deployment zone. So I set the Aegis line in the middle-ish of the board and infiltrate the 50 man conscript blob behind it which gives them a 2+ cover save. I use the servo skulls to stop enemy infiltrators from setting up near me.
The Ordo Xenos goes with the servitors and keeps them shooting while dishing out. Karamazov goes with the infantry blob with meltaguns so he's mobile as he's not nice in CC.
MSUs run around, stay out of sight, and just generally be annoying. They can also help fire some pinpoint hits with Karamozov.
Commissar goes with other blob for a second line of defence. Lots of psychic powers too, I have 6 psykers! Scions deep strike to get the rear armour of big tanks.
Another thing I can do is hit and run with the conscripts and then konga line a few models near whatever I was in combat with and after FRFSRF I can do a pin point strike with Karamazov right on their heads!
This list will make any anti-tank weapon, krak and melta grenades, and D weapons all pretty useless.

I should fill up half the table with guys and annoying conscripts that won't go away. The barrage from 3 orbital strikes could really hurt Imperial Knights too as there's a good chance, if I hit them, that the hit will not be on the side their shield is on.

Thoughts?

[WestRider]

That would have worked in 6th. In 7th, the Aegis has to go in your DZ, and the FAQ clarified that ICs with Infiltrate can't Join Units without it during Deployment.

[Halollet]

Jul 16, 2015 2:31:51 GMT WestRider said:

That would have worked in 6th. In 7th, the Aegis has to go in your DZ, and the FAQ clarified that ICs with Infiltrate can't Join Units without it during Deployment.

Well (please do not swear)-on-a-stick. That's the BRB FAQ that states that?

Dang. I need bigger deployment zones.

Edit: no wait, that's not in the FAQ... Where do you see that rule about infiltrators?

[WestRider]

Right here. You're probably still looking at the old files up on the Black Library site.

[Halollet]

Jul 16, 2015 5:30:51 GMT WestRider said:

Right here. You're probably still looking at the old files up on the Black Library site.

Well dang, it says vise versa.  D'oh.

Hmm.....  Well might have to scrap this list then.

Where did you find this FAQ?

[WestRider]

The new ones are on the actual GW site. On the home page, scroll all the way down, it's the last option in the "Here to Help" column.

[Halollet]

Thanks.

Any idea or hope for my all infantry list? Even with Creed, getting the d3 outflank warlord trait is like 40% so that's nothing to build a list on.

Am I just going to have to suck it up and use tanks?

[Kark]

Astra militarum is the best army to play it as a "swarm" in fact, so using guardsmen and conscript is actually a great idea.

50 men blob of conscripts need fearless. This can be accomplished by adding ministorum priest. Apart from zealot, he also has warhymnes special rule. If instead of inquisition You take sisters of battle, You will get ministorum priest that auto pass warhymnes. Furthermore You can get saint celestine that also has hit and run (alternative to cypher).

Now what conscripts really need is psychic power boost. I would recommend librarian conclave formation. If You are okey with 3 detachments than take astra militarum, adepta sororitas and convlave (ultramarines with tigirius). If 2 detachments only, take astra militarum and conclave (white scars for hit and run).

I already posted in other threads how it works, but conscripts buffed by divination and or telepathy, orders and warhymnes are almost unstoppable. You can cast invisibility on them, prescience (reroll to hit) combined with first rank fire second rank fire and possible perfect timing and or misfortune (rending), 4++ with possible rerolls thanks to warhymnes from priest. Casting all these powers is quite easy if You use conclave as You will successfully harness the warp on 2+. Having lots of psykers in conclave and primaris psykers give You nice chance to roll for all useful powers and they are a great WC dice generators.

Apart from infantry I would include pask in punisher with 2 additional punishers, all with multi meltas (against enemy AV) and lascannons (able to shoot at greater range). Wyverns are also very helpful as they have shred with possible rending from misfortune.

[WestRider]

Yeah, I tend to go a different tack, but IG blob Infantry Armies are probably their strongest build right now. Yarrick is another option for Warlord instead of Pask if you want to avoid Tanks, since he can hide in a blob but still give Orders. That means you can run an Infantry Squad blob with 4-5 Lascannon and give them Ignores Cover or Tank Hunters/Monster Hunters, and then Twin-Link with Prescience.

I usually see blobs run at 40+ICs around here rather than 50, but that's probably a matter of taste and meta.

[Halollet]

Hmmmmmmm..... I'm liking those ideas. How many guys do you think I could fit I to a deployment zone? I was fitting just over a hundred before without too many issues, but I also had 30 outlanking at the time.

[WestRider]

Deployment zones typically start getting cramped and super-vulnerable to Blasts past around 150 Models or so. If you've got much more than that, you're probably going to want to arrange somehow for some of them to Outflank or Deep Strike or at least be in regular Reserves.

[Halollet]

Alright, been trying to piece together an army in my head and I've been looking for more tools. I found the d-99 guard army and I think they bring what I need to the table, deep strike! Everything deep strikes! No orders though. But lots of tools to work with.

I was actually thinking of making them a Stealer-cult, but now with all these ideas, I think I can make a cool cult army!

So D-99 as the primary detactment, ally in guard, and I have librarian and genestealer formations to add in for more versatility. That's a lot of tricks I can pull off. Invisible conscripts, dropping in units full of meltaguns or flamers, drop a OS squad in the back with BS4 Missile Launcher, Manufactorum stealers to disrupt the enemy turn one while I move into position, assault troops with a poor lascannon melee weapon. That's a lot of neat stuff.

Now I'm just trying to fit a list together. Gotta read up on the librarian formation first. Not sure I need the genestealer formation, but be cool to have.

[WestRider]

The D-99 guys are cool. Just be careful how many Points you sink into them. They're spendy, and just as squishy as regular Guardsmen.

[Halollet]

Yeah, 8 points for a t3 5+ sv is steep when they only have a lasgun to use. Mind you I do like they come with krak grenades.

Wait, can I put a librarian on a horse, call it a bike, and have him join a unit of rough riders?

[WestRider]

As long as you're clear about what it is, that should be fine. Have to be a heck of a horse to be able to carry someone in Power Armour, tho. Get like a Clydesdale or something