ATC (Tournament) help needed: List decision

[rpricew]

Hey everyone... I am preparing for the American Team Championship coming up at the end of July in Chattanooga, TN. I've been working on a list for the event and am now trying to finalize its many variations.

I am going to present 3 lists and then hopefully get a discussion going that will help me fine tune and tweak these lists to the best one for the event.

ATC allows 2 Detachments max and only one of those can be a CAD. NO REPEATED DETACHMENTS (no double Skyblight, no double Hive Fleet, etc.) Forgeworld and Super Heavy/Gargantuan creatures are not allowed outside of what's in the codex (Imperial Knights & WraithKnights are currently allowed)

I've gotten some good games in with a couple of these versions. I don't have all of the models to field them all, but I could either borrow or buy/build them if I settle on an especially good feeling list.

List #1: 1850
Hive Fleet:
Flyrant (Dakka, Haywire, Fighter Ace) - 275
Flyrant (Dakka, Haywire) - 240
3 x 1 Mucolid Spore - 15 x 3
2 x Mawloc - 140 x 2
Venomthrope - 45
2 x Lictor - 50 x 2

Skyblight Swarm:
Flyrant (Dakka, Haywire) - 240
Hive Crone - 155
2 x Harpy (Stinger Salvo) - 145 x 2
3 x 10 Gargoyles - 60 x 3


List #2: 1850
Hive Fleet:
Flyrant (Dakka, Haywire) - 240
Flyrant (Dakka, Haywire) - 240
3 x 1 Mucolid Spore - 15 x 3
1 x 3 Spore Mines - 15
3 x Mawloc - 140 x 3
Venomthrope - 45

Skyblight Swarm:
Flyrant (Dakka, Haywire) - 240
Hive Crone - 155
2 x Harpy - 135 x 2
3 x 10 Gargoyles - 60 x 3


List #3: 1850
Hive Fleet:
Flyrant (Dakka, Haywire, Fighter Ace) - 275
Flyrant (Dakka, Haywire) - 240
Flyrant (Dakka, Haywire) - 240
Hive Crone - 155
3 x 1 Mucolid Spore - 15 x 3
1 x Venomthrope - 45

Skyblight Swarm:
Flyrant (Dakka, Haywire) - 240
Hive Crone - 155
2 x Harpy (1 x HVC) - 135, 140
3 x 10 Gargoyles - 60 x 3

The mission pack for the ATC is 6 Games, and it's a team challenge. The goal is to collect as many battle points as possible for your team over the 6 games. You are paired against the other team and there is a chance to create favorable matchups in the pairing process. My team has Eldar, Drop Pod Marines, Grey Knights, Tau and Me.

Half of the missions are Kill Point based and the other half are Objective based.

www.whatc.org/

What are your thoughts?

[FTGT-BeeCee]

I was just taking a quick look at the missions. Are you putting yourself in a hole without much of an objective holding presence? Especially in the progessive scoring missions? Are you potentially putting your team in a tough spot if there are a bunch of objective missions? or do you feel like your team captain can help you avoid those?

I think i like list #2.

[jaysic]

I think with the endless gargoyles he should be fine. I'll see you there bud

[Freeman]

They're all really strong lists. I think 2 is sort of better because the mawlocs are an answer to a lot of questions. The skyblight gives you decent board present. For objectives.

[rpricew]

May 26, 2015 21:38:54 GMT FTGT-BeeCee said:

I was just taking a quick look at the missions. Are you putting yourself in a hole without much of an objective holding presence? Especially in the progessive scoring missions? Are you potentially putting your team in a tough spot if there are a bunch of objective missions? or do you feel like your team captain can help you avoid those?

I think i like list #2.

What do you like about list 2 over 1? I've played the same number of games with each (about 3) and List 1 came after list 2's playtesting. I found that adding in the Lictors, allowed for a little more MSU and with the Homing Beacon in effect, I had one game where the 2 Mawlocs, a unit of Gargoyles and a Spore Mine all precision dropped and won me a ton of points.

In the Triple Mawloc list, it's always random. Although, a T6 6W MC sitting on an objective late game in terrain is hard to dig out...

List 3 gives up a lot on the ground, to take air superiority to a whole new level. Venomthrope has to stay for Turn 1 Alpha Strike protection, otherwise I would lose it too.

[FTGT-BeeCee]

I think in going with 2 lictors they are as much a wild card as the 3 mawlocs. The power of lists like Lictorshame is the ability to flood with lictors. I'm not saying you won't ever get mileage out of two but I think you are definitely more prone to failing that 1 cover save vs a meltagun shot.

Like you said about the Mawlocs, I love that for 140 points you get a 6 wound T6 monster in addition to the terror form the deep. They can be great last minute objective grabbers and they also provide you with a chance to counter the enemy of the tyranids, the dreaded 2+ save.

Granted for ATC you can build a list to a specific purpose and count on your captain helping you out of the bad match ups as well.

[kratos]

I like list number 1 but I would drop Fighter Ace and Stinger Salvos and add HVC to harpys to be able to threathen vehicles and Spore mines for movement control and harassing.

[Kark]

I voted for list 3. It looks very scary. 4 tyrants and 2 crones can wrack some havoc. I would also drop fighter ace and go for 2 hvc for harpies.

[blackswarm]

Due to the allied matrix I would use list 3. The fact you have majority flyers mean that you can avoid your team mates so that you don't hinder them. Plus, flyers are awesome. The more the better

[jifel]

I like list 1 the best honestly. Lictors are great at progressive and flyer ace is worth it for denying STW in my mind, especially in the headhunter mission. Either way, best of luck! I'll be there and look forward to seeing more Hiveminders there!

You as well Jaysic. Were either of you there last year?

[jaysic]

Nooe, this will be my first ATC event. Some guys I saw at adepticon/ohcon/cagbash asked me to join their team, and I'm pretty excited...except no malanthropes

[N.I.B.]

I'd say list #3 is the best out of these. It's the most airborne focused, that rock/paper/scissors nature comes into full effect with team play rules were the team can match your paper against enemy rocks.

But it's a bit strange that ATC rules differ from ETC rules, with the allowance of double CAD from the same faction and Fighter Ace upgrades.

[rpricew]

I was there last year, it was a blast