Purifier Cleansing Flame keeps tabling me

[Xenos]

Need help!

I'm losing several splinter fleets to the human-morphs known as Purifiers.

I'll use my last game as an example. 4 squads deepstruck turn 1:

First squad mishapped and died. Second squad scattered away. Third squad failed the psychic test.

Fourth squad scattered 10" away but got the power off. Killed a Crone, Carnifex, 3 Warriors, 5 Genestealers, a Venomthrope and took 3 wounds off a Tervigon.

Even with abysmal luck he nailed a third of my army in the psychic phase. He then shot 2 carnifexes off the board with Force shots but that's besides the points.

I have no idea who to deal with Purifiers. You can't spread out enough to dodge 4 squads. I don't want to reserve everything because then he'll batter me first turn and I come in piecemeal after that.

Any suggestions? I appeal to the Hive Mind.

[terrorfromthedeep]

Sounds like he got very lucky, 9 wounds on warriors means he must have rolled very well on his hits and wounds

Also the power has 9" range so if he scattered 10 inches he should have been out of range? It's treated like a shooting attack so can only kill models in that 9" range.

What does your list and his list look like?

[Gutrip]

From what I can recall from my own GK codex, I don't believe Purifiers can deepstrike. Although regular troop Strike Squad units can, and they don't have Cleansing Flame. I might be missing something that can maybe allow Purifiers to deepstrike? I can't remember at this moment since I don't have the book with me. And yes, if his closest unit landed 10 inches away, Cleansing Flame (nova attack) can only target units in that 9" range.

Try casting Catalyst to save yourself a bit from the Flame. Psilencers, the weapon that inflicts ID Force, is deadly against Monsterous creatures. For that, you might need to bubble wrap your big bugs with fodder to soak up the shots, and stay shrounded within ruins as best as possible.

[Kark]

If You have problems with purifiers, try using bastion with tyrant guards inside. Cleansing flame cannot harm bastion nor units inside and tyrand guards with T6 and 3+ save are quite safe from any template weapons. Bastion can be upgraded with comms relay and now You can keep Your tyrants and Crones in reserves with rerolls for enter the play. Purifies will have to face Your devourer shots now. This trick also works against drop podded centurions and other alpha strike armies.

I don't know If I understood it correctly, but how two units could have killed more than 2 of Your units in a single psychic phase? Cleansing flame may only be casted by one unit, once per phase.

[Gutrip]

Cleansing flame is a Nova power with a 9" kill radius. All units caught in that bubble are hit 2d6 times at 5 str ap 4, no armor/cover saves allowed. Extremely effective if purifers were legally allowed to deepstrike, but I can't recall that they can. Unless someone summons a unit off the board with Gate of Infinity.

[yowster12]

May 17, 2015 16:45:27 GMT Gutrip said:

Cleansing flame is a Nova power with a 9" kill radius. All units caught in that bubble are hit 2d6 times at 5 str ap 4, no armor/cover saves allowed. Extremely effective if purifers were legally allowed to deepstrike, but I can't recall that they can. Unless someone summons a unit off the board with Gate of Infinity.

Does it say no armor or cover?? If so why the AP?

[Gutrip]

Oi! That's right, it does NOT ignore armor. It ignores cover saves though. My bad lol

[Kark]

Purifiers may have personal teleporters (or some something like that) and this make them jump infantry, so they're able to deepstrike.

Units inside transports or inside buildings like bastion are not hit by nova powers, so unit inside is perfectly safe.

I didn't notice it is nova this explains a lot.

[Gutrip]

Interceptors (fast attack) use personal teleporters. Purifiers (elite) can't use personal teleporters. As of this moment, they are footsloggers. Only way to instantly get them in your face is either rhino flat out, storm raven, or gate of infinity. Next time the dude tries to deepstrike them, please have him explain what is allowing them to do so, since their special rules or wargear don't give them that ability. I play Purifers in my games, so I would also love to know.

[yowster12]

A buddy of mine allies with BA for Drop pod assault but otherwise no purifiers deepstriking.

[WestRider]

They can also Deep Strike using Allied Blood Angel or Space Wolf Drop Pods. But not on their own, for pretty much exactly this reason.

[Kark]

It looks like I confused purifiers with interceptors but yes GKs can use drop pods from BB allies like BA or SW.

[rpricew]

model up something like this... not the Alien, the Spore Pod ... it needs to be about the size of a Bastion



Call it a Void Shield Generator and give it the extra 2 Shields = 100 points (Use a Tyrannocyte if you must)

That will give you an AV 12 protective field that you can hide just inside of... His Psychic power will not penetrate it. You just have to spread out enough that he can't land and disembark "Inside" the 12" line.

Problem solved!

[Halollet]

Uh yeah, I'm a little confused too on how the purifiers got there so fast. They can't deep strike, or move more then 6". Did they hop out of allied drop pod?
Here's how you deal with em, tell your opponent he's cheating and force those guys to walk. Should be easy to handle.
Unless he has 2 units of 10 inside landraider which are combat squad. Then he can blast out 4 cleansing flames in your face. Hmm... As a GK player myself that sounds like a good idea actually.... *evilly taps finger tips together*

[loken1]

Just looked at the profile of cleansing flame and purifiers and they cannot deep strike (Unless allied with a pod) and cleansing flame does not ignore armor, only cover ap 4, in 9 inches around the casting model. Seeing as the one squad died when they arrived, im assuming the guy is not using pods, and their for is cheating or has a misunderstanding of what that unit does.

The units which CAN deep strike are terminators, strike squads, and interceptors.

The only way of deep striking cleansing flame to the best of my knowledge is Librarian or captain (which have terminator armor) which rolled on the demonology table and got cleansing flame.