Anti-AV13+/MC?

[joasht]

Having just recently picked up some Nids, I've noticed that the army seems to have some problems with AV13+ and/or MCs short of getting into melee.

How do you guys usually deal with these targets? Especially things like Imperial Knights, Land Raiders, Wraithknights, Riptides, etc.

Thanks!

[LordPathos]

Use the Fleshborer Hive!

[yoritomo]

Your right, tyranids have a very rough time with Av 13 or better. The thing you have to remember is that with the exception of the land raider all those vehicle are not Av 13 all around. The key to success is to get into the side or rear arcs where weapons like devourers can get glancing hits. Once a devourer can do damage then it's just a question of time before you strip off all the hull points.

For MCs you don't usually need to kill them, you can get away with tarpitting them. Run a fast unit like gargoyles at them and by the time they fight off the gargoyles then the game will be about over or you'll have something that can kill it in assault near by.

[WestRider]

Gargoyles are especially good for Tarpitting MCs because Blinding Venom means that they can potentially drag down anything, and also they'll usually manage to Blind it at some point, which stretches their value as a Tarpit by an extra Turn or two.

With Imperial Knights, what you usually want is not to Charge them yourself, but to get right up an inch away from them, as close to surrounding as possible, so they're only going to get an inch of Movement in the Turn. It'll hopefully also leave you spread out enough that the Stomps aren't too brutal and you can keep it tied up for a bit.

Also, if the opportunity arises, move Swooping FMCs right in front of them. They can't Charge them, but they can't move through them either, so they'll have to waste time going around. It sucks when you get Grounded while doing this, but nothing's foolproof. Doesn't work on WraithKnights, because they can just Jump past you.

[rroach]

I was under the impression you can move under Swooping FMCs, you just had to stay 1 inch away after stopping.

[rroach]

Haywire template on the Flying Hive Tyrant.

[yowster12]

Jan 18, 2015 19:52:07 GMT rroach said:

I was under the impression you can move under Swooping FMCs, you just had to stay 1 inch away after stopping.

This is true. But a Knight wont fit without moving your figurine which it should not do. A Flyrant for example has a wide wingspan and low size. A Knight would not be able to move around it without wasting some inches.

[rroach]

Jan 18, 2015 21:32:19 GMT yowster12 said:

Jan 18, 2015 19:52:07 GMT rroach said:

I was under the impression you can move under Swooping FMCs, you just had to stay 1 inch away after stopping.

This is true. But a Knight wont fit without moving your figurine which it should not do. A Flyrant for example has a wide wingspan and low size. A Knight would not be able to move around it without wasting some inches.

Why would your wings count? They don't count when determining LOS or charge distances. If you're making your opponent go around *wings*, you're being a bit of a prick. It's the model's base that counts, not it's fiddly bits.

And it can still pass 'under' your Flying Hive Tyrant. As in, move through it's base and stop behind it, no problem-o. It won't have to go around in the first place.

[rroach]

Well, (please do not swear) me I just read the rules. It has to fit physically underneath.

Still, I don't believe wings count when going around the model.

[gigasnail]

pg 18, BRB. can't get within 1" of the model. wings are part of the model.

pg 69, BRB. anything moving under an FMC has to physically fit underneath. you can easily move most infantry under/through/around most FMC, depending on how they're modeled. you're not ever moving a knight through one.

[rroach]

"Distances between models and all other objects (which can be other models, terrain
features and so on) are always measured from the closest point on one base to the closest
point on the other base."

Bases count, not the fiddly bits.

[gigasnail]

the fiddly bits explicitly count here, or there wouldn't be a part about moving underneath them but having to actually fit. because you're not ever going to be able to fit anything under the base...

[bigpig]

Can you tank shock FMCs. I don't see RAW prohibiting it, unless I'm missing something

[WestRider]

Jan 19, 2015 0:42:29 GMT bigpig said:

Can you tank shock FMCs. I don't see RAW prohibiting it, unless I'm missing something

Pg.69, last paragraph. The corresponding bit for Flyers is on Pg.84.

[bigpig]

Jan 19, 2015 0:49:29 GMT WestRider said:

Jan 19, 2015 0:42:29 GMT bigpig said:

Can you tank shock FMCs. I don't see RAW prohibiting it, unless I'm missing something

Pg.69, last paragraph. The corresponding bit for Flyers is on Pg.84.

Perfect, thank you. Came up at a game yesterday and I couldn't find it. Didn't have my glasses either though, so....