Old One Eye - your thoughts

[Col. Duke LaCrosse]

I love Old One Eye. Its my secret shame. On occasion I even use him...and he nearly always sucks like an airplane toilet. As much as I love him...he is simply bad. Currently he is some kind of bizarre stat-buffing, support, close combat 'fex. Here is my simple fix.

1. Delete his entire entry in the current codex
2. Cut and paste his entire entry from the 3rd ed codex (with edition appropriate changes as needed)

BAM! In one cut-and-paste he's become cheaper, better at close combat, and more survivable with better regeneration. In short he's a close combat 'fex that is legitimately superior to a normal CC 'fex. Best of all his upgrades are entirely relevant to his role as the Uber-Melee 'fex.

With that said I'm curious as to what the Hive thinks that GW was thinking when they made him. What role do they think he serves? What purpose do they think he has and in what style Tyranid army? My personal theory is that he is the 40k version of the Magic Card "One With Nothing". He exists to teach new players what a bad model with a bad ruleset looks like and how to avoid using them. Cynical perhaps but honestly its what he's best at.

Even so I will keep using him cause I love him... Also there was that one game when he ID'd 5 Blood Crushers in a single round of combat, going last, taking no wounds himself, after being charged. He also did 11 pens on a Land Raider once but that was just funny.

[jimmyp]

Ah i liked the idea old one eye too mate, sad how he is not better and just a add on the a brood of carnifex instead of being HQ

[hiveminded]

He's 45 points more than a similarly equipped carnifex. For those points you get:
- 1 higher leadership (not that great)
- Ability to let others use his leadership (I guess this could be useful if he's near some gants with no synapse)
- One extra attack (very nice)
- S10, so his hammer of wrath attacks are all S10....pretty nice
- He gains FNP after taking his first wound (can be useful)
- Extra CC attacks from Berserker rage (always in favor of more attacks)

I don't know, I guess all that for 45 points isn't all that bad.

In the end, I suspect GW put him in the codex to give 'nid players another HQ option in a book that is very light on characters. Being a character, you can issue challenges to ensure your S10 insta-squishing CC attacks are hitting an enemy character. If you want a hard-hitting CC carnifex as an HQ, he's your man....err bug. I think GW put him there to give 'nid players another HQ option. 

He'd be much better imo if you could put him in a brood.

[swarm492]

I too love old one eye, I was so disappointed when I read his stats in our dex, I really wish I could use his rules from 3rd edd. In a few friendly games I have asked to do so. I brought him every game I could back in the day, and if he was copy pasted I would again.

[Yautja]

Change 1 - make him a normal Fex with crushing claws AG.
Change 2 - scrap that leadership sharing rubbish. Give him synapse.
Change 3 - has Regeneration, but heals on a 3+ result. Furthermore, if killed, returns at the end of that phase on a result of 5+.

[Hive Bahamut]

So stupid how they gave Ol stink eye one of the original "get back up," rules then dump it in order to give it to Yarrick. Leave him as is but throw that back in and he becomes much more useful.

Fleet would be good too..

[Col. Duke LaCrosse]

No doubt! A reroll to charge would be awesome. He failed a 6" charge in a game yesterday. Then he got charged by the Deff Dread he tried to charge the turn before. He was killed by...this is so bad...the Dread's S5 hammer of wrath hit (he had taken 3 wounds in the shooting phase from...this is so bad...big shootas). "...unstoppable engine of destruction."

[swarm492]

Dec 21, 2014 20:33:15 GMT Col. Duke LaCrosse said:

No doubt! A reroll to charge would be awesome. He failed a 6" charge in a game yesterday. Then he got charged by the Deff Dread he tried to charge the turn before. He was killed by...this is so bad...the Dread's S5 hammer of wrath hit (he had taken 3 wounds in the shooting phase from...this is so bad...big shootas). "...unstoppable engine of destruction."

Sounds like the new OOE

[eskimo]

His rules match the fluff so if he got the ability to join Tgaunts or Fex he'd be an improvement.

Podding him in may work with saturation.

[Threeshades]

Dec 21, 2014 19:15:21 GMT hiveminded said:

He's 45 points more than a similarly equipped carnifex. For those points you get:
- 1 higher leadership (not that great)
- Ability to let others use his leadership (I guess this could be useful if he's near some gants with no synapse)
- One extra attack (very nice)
- S10, so his hammer of wrath attacks are all S10....pretty nice
- He gains FNP after taking his first wound (can be useful)
- Extra CC attacks from Berserker rage (always in favor of more attacks)

I don't know, I guess all that for 45 points isn't all that bad.

Thing is, a carnifex with CC, thresher scythe and regen is already way overcosted

[arapaima]

Go back to his 3rd edition self, automatically regain a wound and a roll of 4+ where per turn where he can get back on his feet and fight if he got killed. Same point cost as a CQC dread like third ed instead of what we have now. If not make him a tougher and nastier carnifex. OOE was always considered a tough (please do not swear) who can survive stuff that kills an ordinary fex outright. In addition of our current pts/rules, him the most durable unit in our army. Toughness, wound and armor save boost along with eternal warrior. He is IMO the perfect candidate for it.

[stonehorse]

WS incease will fix a lot of the issues it has, that and up the armour to 2+ or increase the wounds by 1.

Used it a few times, and each time it has done very little, annoyingly the Warlord Trait is sub-par, and Old One Eye loses it if another HQ choice is taken.

It suffers the same issues as combat Carnifexes, but can't take Adrenal Glands to help lessen one of those, it is far too expensive. Great background, and a wonderful model, but one to take in very friendly games only.

[j0rdan]

Dec 21, 2014 17:54:32 GMT Col. Duke LaCrosse said:

With that said I'm curious as to what the Hive thinks that GW was thinking when they made him. What role do they think he serves? What purpose do they think he has and in what style Tyranid army?

I'm confident that his mechanical purpose in the codex is as an alternative HQ to the Tyranid Prime for small, themed games, with the idea that there'd be little to no synapse elsewhere. Gants, gaunts, genestealers, maybe a brood of warriors. <1000 points. A small "leftovers" brood on a planet where the nid invasion failed, or something like that. Like in the fluff.

That said, in j0rdan world, where everything I want comes true, OOE is
WS 5
BS 0
S 10
T 7 (Why aren't fexes T7 anyway?)
I 2
W 6
A 4
Ld 10
Sv 2+

FNP 4+
Regeneration 4+

In addition to his given wargear and the extra attacks rule, he'd have adrenal glands.

Adjust points accordingly, and we got something that is honestly still going to die a fair amount of the time before getting to do something, which is fine. But it would require an amount of punishment on par with the better offerings of other armies, and participate in the battle more often.

[swarm492]

Dec 22, 2014 17:15:31 GMT j0rdan said:

Dec 21, 2014 17:54:32 GMT Col. Duke LaCrosse said:

With that said I'm curious as to what the Hive thinks that GW was thinking when they made him. What role do they think he serves? What purpose do they think he has and in what style Tyranid army?

I'm confident that his mechanical purpose in the codex is as an alternative HQ to the Tyranid Prime for small, themed games, with the idea that there'd be little to no synapse elsewhere. Gants, gaunts, genestealers, maybe a brood of warriors. <1000 points. A small "leftovers" brood on a planet where the nid invasion failed, or something like that. Like in the fluff.

That said, in j0rdan world, where everything I want comes true, OOE is
WS 5
BS 0
S 10
T 7 (Why aren't fexes T7 anyway?)
I 2
W 6
A 4
Ld 10
Sv 2+

FNP 4+
Regeneration 4+

In addition to his given wargear and the extra attacks rule, he'd have adrenal glands.

Adjust points accordingly, and we got something that is honestly still going to die a fair amount of the time before getting to do something, which is fine. But it would require an amount of punishment on par with the better offerings of other armies, and participate in the battle more often.

With a statline and rules like that, he could bum-rush fortress walls in apoc like the universes scariest linebacker. Fits the fluff pretty well imo, I don't know how many points he would be but I wouldn't care, I'd bring him. Whats funny is IF forgeworld got their hands on him and he was in IA 4 he might look something like that.

[gozolve]

I wish he had his will be back roll XD