Blast with Skyfire hitting FMCs?

[gingerwerewolf]

Hey all

Just read a bit of Tactics on Warseer, and apparently if you have Skyfire, you can shoot FMCs with Blast and Template weapons.

According to them, and in the Main Rulebook, under the (Vehicle) Flyers section of Hard to Hit, it states specifically that Blasts and Template weapons may never target flyers. However no such restriction exists on Flying Monstrous Creatures.

Thus they state that a Blast or Template weapon that somehow has got Skyfire (Tau systems, Mysterious Objectives or Fliers of both the vehicluar and monstrous type) can hit FMCs. Obviously this is the same for Weapons that automatically hit, and beams etc.

Page references for the Rulebook enabled:

Flying Monstrous Creatures p68 (Hard to Hit p69)
Flying Vehicles p84 (To see the difference a single line makes)

Skyfire Rule p171
Template Weapons p173
Blast Weapons p158

Can anyone confirm? What are peoples opinions on this? HAs anyone every used it against you?

[phayze]

Yes it is legal, as the FMC's Hard to Hit rule is worded differently that Fliers. my Tau friend regularly uses his Riptide's overcharged ion blast to try and make my flyrant jink.

Note that you still can't E-grub a flier.

[seanster3000]

Yup this is 100% correct. You can't hit a Flyer with Blast or Template weapons even with Skyfire, but you can hit with those weapons if you target a Flying Monstrous Creature.

[gingerwerewolf]

Is this a mistake do you think? An accidental omission?

[phayze]

i believe since the wording is very SIMILAR, but not EXACT, it was meant to be the same. could just be a copy/paste error. or not. bugs flapping on wings can move fast, but not supersonic.

[gingerwerewolf]

But a Flamer? That doesnt make sense

[N.I.B.]

Dec 15, 2014 11:31:33 GMT seanster3000 said:

Yup this is 100% correct. You can't hit a Flyer with Blast or Template weapons even with Skyfire, but you can hit with those weapons if you target a Flying Monstrous Creature.

Source?

[FTGTEvan]

It's basically because Flyers specifically call out that they can NEVER be targeted by blast or template weapons. FMCs' Hard to Hit description is missing this sentence.

[Mauler]

Dec 15, 2014 15:17:16 GMT N.I.B. said:

Dec 15, 2014 11:31:33 GMT seanster3000 said:

Yup this is 100% correct. You can't hit a Flyer with Blast or Template weapons even with Skyfire, but you can hit with those weapons if you target a Flying Monstrous Creature.

Source?

BRB:

Flyers, "Hard To Hit"

Hard to Hit Zooming Flyers are incredibly difficult targets for troops without suitably calibrated weapons and scopes. Shots resolved at a Zooming Flyer can only be resolved as Snap Shots (unless the model or weapon has the Skyfire special rule). Template and Blast weapons, and any other attacks that don’t roll To Hit, cannot hit Zooming Flyers.

FMCs, "Hard To Hit"

Hard to Hit A Swooping Flying Monstrous Creature is a very difficult target for units without specialised weapons. Shots resolved at such a target can only be resolved as Snap Shots unless the model or weapon has the Skyfire special rule.

No omission. 

[luke1705]

Yep the hard to hit sections in the BRB have a glaring omission from the FMC section. Totally legit. Intended? Hard to imagine that it wasn't and that there was that clear of a copy paste job fail.

[rroach]

I only have a PDF of the rules so no page numbers, but the Blast section states Blast Weapons cannot be fired as Snap Shots. Flying Monstrous Creatures are fine. Some copywriter didn't want to repeat himself, or two copywriters went in two directions.

[rroach]

Whoops, this is with Skyfire. Nevermind me.

[creatureboi]

Template weapons can never hit a swooping FMC because it doesn't use BS or roll to hit so it isn't affected by the snap shooting rule therefore doesn't get to benefit from skyfire.

[virtualsniper]

Rule says template cannot be fire as snapshot.
Rule for FMC says you hit them with snapshot unless you have skyfire.
Therefore a template with skyfire does not fire as snapshot on a FMC.
Hence there is nothing preventing shooting a FMC with a template or blast.

[seethe]

I dont think it was a copy paste fail. We trade that for 360* firing and option to glide and assault.

Makes perfect sense to me that an FMC would be slightly easier to hit. Were talking pterrodactyls with machine gun worms and F22s with lasers