Hypertoxic Node

[hiveminded]

I *really* like this formation. Besides being made up of units I already have in my list, you get some nice bonuses. 

Having the all the Toxicrene's attacks ID on a 5+ is gravy. You can also load Hive Tyrant up with the Miasma Cannon for a 2+ poison ID template/blast. Add in rending claws and his CC attacks are AP2 instant death on rolls of 6. 

[gigasnail]

You can, but miasma cannon is still not good against most targets even with ID. If you're tailoring and the other guy is bringing wraith lords or racks or chaos spawn or something, sure. General use eehhhhhhh I dunno. 3 venoms is a pretty steep tax.

[nameless]

Nov 21, 2014 0:10:29 GMT hiveminded said:

I *really* like this formation. Besides being made up of units I already have in my list, you get some nice bonuses. 

Having the all the Toxicrene's attacks ID on a 5+ is gravy. You can also load Hive Tyrant up with the Miasma Cannon for a 2+ poison ID template/blast. Add in rending claws and his CC attacks are AP2 instant death on rolls of 6. 

You don't need rending claws to be AP2. Take scything talons or a gun to get the same effect (although slightly worse vs vehicles).

[hiveminded]

Well, that's true =p.

[Kwodd]

All about the maw claws.

[hiveminded]

Love it. Preferred enemy is so much fun...

[liberame]

Put the maw claws on the skytyrant, not this one

[N.I.B.]

Nov 21, 2014 0:10:29 GMT hiveminded said:

I *really* like this formation. Besides being made up of units I already have in my list, you get some nice bonuses.

There you have it I guess. You already have these models in your list.
I probably wont use this formation, since I don't use the units in my lists. Actually I've never seen a tyranid army list with 3 venomthropes. This is just a way for GW to push the Toxi and new 3-venoms kit.
This formation just don't come together nicely - only way I'd consider a Toxicrene would be in a spore - then why would I want 3 Venoms hanging in a backline that I don't want to invest in?
And don't forget the toxin sacs tax on the Tyrant.

But sure, the bonuses are nice, and it's probably possible to build a somewhat competitive list around.

[Yautja]

I don't consider the 3 Venomthrope a tax. 3 separate Shrouded providers without using any Elite slots is nice. If you already have the models I think it's alright.

[creatureboi]

Is it still a tax if you would take those models anyway? I have yet to run an army without a Venomthrope. Since they now come as a box of 3 anyone who buys a Venomthrope will get 3 of them whether they want if or not (unless you build the other two as zoans)

[N.I.B.]

Nov 21, 2014 10:37:49 GMT creatureboi said:

Is it still a tax if you would take those models anyway?

Of course not. If you're the guy who use 3 Venomthropes anyway, more power to you.

[Yautja]

This whole 'tax' terminology is always purely subjective.

[Jabberwocky]

3 venoms is less points than the 2 Malanthropes I'm currently running so I wouldn't consider it terribly expensive, though they are a bit fragile for my taste. Maybe one can sit in a bunker/bastion.

The Toxicrene can still have a pod and the Tyrant can certainly take miasma cannon and then either Rending or another gun to be fairly flexible.

I don't think it's hard to fit into or build a list around, though I also don't think it's that vital. You gain ID which means you don't buy lw/bs but buy TS instead. You have a load of spore cloud so you don't take Malanthropes but at the same time may feel you can't take Malanthropes as it would be a waste (and they're bloody good).

I don't think I'd use it but I wouldn't strongly warn someone else away from it either.

[gigasnail]

it's pretty eh.

[beltrajor]

Would toxic miasma benefit from Old adversary/ preferred enemy rerrolls?