Barbed heirodule question

[undeadfilth]

I'm considering purchasing a barbed heirodule and was wondering what rules he would be used for. I heard he was a lord of war now and wasn't sure if his 40k legal rules would be in escalation(haven't had a chance to look at or read it yet) or the apoc book from 6th edition(which i have). What's the verdict guys?

[biomassbob]

I have an additional question. What does a barbed heirodule cost in points - the type bigpig used with the str 10 shooting. If saying points is a no-no, can you say it in the following way, for example: it costs the same as a fex with 2 sets of devourers plus 2 warriors with deathspitters and one lictor

[gigasnail]

points are in anaphelion project IA4 2nd edition. 30 seconds and a google image search will net you pleasing results.

[undeadfilth]

gigasnail, that didn't really answer my question... Unless the IA4 2nd edition rules are the ones for legal 7th edition play.

[gigasnail]

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[mattblowers]

If I had more $$$ I'd love to have one. Thinking of making my own because I don't love the model.

[gigasnail]

take a tfex, put it on a 5" round base. problem solved.

[Deleted]

The second edition imperial armor 4 book is the correct book. The most recent publication regarding the unit is the most legal, and the tyranid book(which is imperial armor 4) just got updated recently.

The book does give the hierodule the 40k standard stamp of approval. the books do make that distinction. Games Workshop owns forgeworld, and therefore forgeworld publications are GW publications.

The hierodule costs about 550 points. A bit more if memory serves, but not much.

It does put out a nice amount of str 10 shots, a dozen. The AP is lacking, and so is the save of the creature. Frankly, he's not great imo compared to lets say an imperial knight or wraithlord if you talk net cost imo, BUT for tyranids? Despite being "overcosted" the barbie has something the non-FW tyranid line is so badly lacking, high strength ranged shots. And not just a few, but enough to almost serve as all the anti-armor your army needs(though obviously this makes him a huge target).

Plop this guy on a skyshield landing pad and watch your opponents cry.

For half a thousand points though he's a huge blow to your points budget, so I'd say he better make your food sweat.

[gigasnail]

the 3+ save is a downer, so put him in terrain with shrouded for a 2+ save. immune to small arms fire because of T8. stomps for invisible units. the AP is only 3, so no more explodes except for crons and Deldar, but has a great volume of S10 fire.

my two beefs with the unit were cost and 3+ save in the age of gravguns. malanthropes eased my concerns about gravguns, now cost is the issue.

[Deleted]

Yeah I agree with the save. I'm not even asking for a 2+ or anything but a 3+/5++ would be beautiful. Hell even a 3+/6++ would be an improvement.

And while the AP:3 is a downer too, I did once wipe the smirk off an opponents face on turn one when after a round of spectacular shooting I killed an imperial knight turn 1 with the barbie(he had 2 imperial knights, and some flyers). Don't expect that to happen anywhere near regularly, cause my opponent rolled bad saves but MAN was it satisfying to be like - oh, besides everything else that the rest of my army did this turn, I wiped out nearly a fifth of your points with one model before you got to move it.

[bolk]

He kind of have a 5++, in the Feel No Pain, although it doesn`t help towards D-weapons ofc. With 3+ save, Shrouded support and FNP, he can take quite a beating.

[macdaddyt]

The 3+ save is better than a 2+ save against grav guns. In fact most things shooting at the hierdule are gonna be AP1 or 2 anyway so I don't think a 2+ would have helped him much more since he's pretty much immune to the small arms fire.

[undeadfilth]

Thanks for all the feedback guys. Really, I've always wanted one(and a heirophant) but the thoughts on him in normal 40k seem interesting. Still, might get my buddy soil his shorts next time we play if an armored hamster appears on the field and starts melting his precious marines:P

[Silegy]

Oct 19, 2014 10:23:03 GMT @nidsinrva said:

Yeah I agree with the save. I'm not even asking for a 2+ or anything but a 3+/5++ would be beautiful. Hell even a 3+/6++ would be an improvement.

And while the AP:3 is a downer too, I did once wipe the smirk off an opponents face on turn one when after a round of spectacular shooting I killed an imperial knight turn 1 with the barbie(he had 2 imperial knights, and some flyers). Don't expect that to happen anywhere near regularly, cause my opponent rolled bad saves but MAN was it satisfying to be like - oh, besides everything else that the rest of my army did this turn, I wiped out nearly a fifth of your points with one model before you got to move it.

And this is my problem with Barbie and 7th ed overall: "30% of my points just wiped out 20% of your points"

[Jabberwocky]

How is this different to 3rd/4th/5th/6th edition?