New Tyranid minis and rules? Updated Nov 3

[thedoom87]

Wait is it three models or is it can make one of three types of models?

[Threeshades]

Nov 3, 2014 15:36:10 GMT mattblowers said:

Nov 3, 2014 15:33:44 GMT Inquisitor Stingray said:

Holy Hive, it's finally good to be the king (or Hive Tyrant). Wonder what they'll charge for one of these.

Absolutely, though I suspect it will on behalf of our opponents this time around!

$60 for a box of 3. A box of THREE!!!! It's like GWs way of apologizing for 2014. Or maybe for a box that makes 3. But the picture has 3 so I'm saying three.

Come on man, don't say that unless you know for sure!

[rogueaccount]

Well, I know what i'm getting for nidmas now.

[xtztxtxz]

Nov 3, 2014 15:36:10 GMT mattblowers said:

Nov 3, 2014 15:33:44 GMT Inquisitor Stingray said:

Holy Hive, it's finally good to be the king (or Hive Tyrant). Wonder what they'll charge for one of these.

Absolutely, though I suspect it will on behalf of our opponents this time around!

$60 for a box of 3. A box of THREE!!!! It's like GWs way of apologizing for 2014. Or maybe for a box that makes 3. But the picture has 3 so I'm saying three.

There's no way GW are selling a model that size for $20. It'll be a kit that can make one of those three options for ~$60.

[hivefleetvoro]

I will admit, Hive Fleet Voro was about ready to admit it needed to go into deep space dormancy. Today, the hive is slowly beginning to reawaken again...

[Threeshades]

Nov 3, 2014 15:39:32 GMT thedoom87 said:

Wait is it three models or is it can make one of three types of models?

Well it is for sure that you can make 3 different units out of it: Mycolid, Tyrannocyte and Sporocyst (or something) rumored to be (in that order) a giant spore mine, a drop pod and a floating gun turret.

[N.I.B.]

OMG YES! I really hoped for a return of the Mycetic spore. It's not what we got, but close enough. I've played lots of null deployment Nids in tournaments so I have a lot of experience with the style of play. Let's take a sober look at it, for you newcomers who weren't around when had the old ones (like, back in the mythical 2013).

Transport Monsterous Creature, outside FOC slots. 75 points. What's new - cost is almost doubled (old spore was 40 points naked, or 50 points with TL Deathspitter). In other words, these things aren't easily spammed. I had 8 spores in my 5th ed null deployment list.

Instinctive Fire - my best guess is that they have to shoot at the closest target. Just as before.

It can move. This is a big buff.

It doesn't seem to have Instinctive Behavior, which is a good thing No worry about failing IB and cannot fire.

WS 2
BS 2
S 5
T 5
W 6
I 3
A 3
Ld 8
Sv 4+

So strenght is nerfed. Toughness is buffed, no more doubled out by S8 and lots of wounds give it real staying power, along with the ability to move into terrain for cover saves.

Worse CC output thanks to S nerf and no more Lashwhips (and 7th ed Smash nerf of course).

Weapons - comes with 5 Deathspitters. Not twinlinked, like the old one? No Lashwhips, which were 6 S6 AP- shots at 6" range. Most popular old build was to keep it naked or add a TL Deathspitter for 10 points. Then you dropped in the rear of a vehicle and popped it with 6 S6 tentacles and 3 S5 spitter shots, so the transported Dakkafex could lit up the unit inside.

25 points upgrade for switch to 5 Barbed Stranglers or 5 Venom Cannons. Nice, again depending on what Instintive Fire is.
Can carry 20 critters or 1 MC. Like before, but more different MC's and midsized critters can embark.
Perhaps Prime can join, but i dunno.

Compared to the old Plasma Hatchers everyone had before, it will be harder to completely block LOS to units
but on the other hand it can now move a bit to make up for it.

Also new - they can score objectives.

What did 7th ed and the new Nid codex bring, in terms of stuff that affects a deepstriking build? We lost +1 reserves from Hive Commander and Lictors. And Warp Quake is gone, which is pretty big. My only 0-20 loss with deepstrike Nids was against Warp Quake spamming GK.
Maelstrom is now a thing. Deepstriking units can help a bit, but will hurt your control of the center of the board.
Other than that, I come up blank.
Sure you can spore down a slow CC monster like before, but I would rather have it footslog under a cover save umbrella and affecting the game from turn 1 with threat radius and target saturation.
Trygons have always been able to do this, and you never see them in play these days.
You’re not sure to catch a Wraithknight just because you deep down beside it with a 6” move dude.

The main big thing is just like before – deeping down 20 Devilgaunts and/or Dakkafexes. That was a brutal build. I also included 2x2 Zoanthropes with Psychic Scream and Doompod.
3 spored Dakkafexes is still an option, but it will cut into my Dakkafex numbers because it eats up my heavy slots, I usually run 3x2 up the table.

Maybe the option to field empty spores will allow a full reserve build, centred around an alpha strike, like before. Cool stuff. And the models are awesome.

[FTGT-BeeCee]

where are you getting the box of three from?

[mattblowers]

Nov 3, 2014 15:42:16 GMT xtztxtxz said:

Nov 3, 2014 15:36:10 GMT mattblowers said:

$60 for a box of 3. A box of THREE!!!! It's like GWs way of apologizing for 2014. Or maybe for a box that makes 3. But the picture has 3 so I'm saying three.

There's no way GW are selling a model that size for $20. It'll be a kit that can make one of those three options for ~$60.

We don't know the size. The base looks round in the pic, so that would mean it's not a MC base, more like the dakkafex base. $60 seems low, but who knows?

[almostmercury]

Happiness.

[Threeshades]

Nov 3, 2014 15:49:41 GMT mattblowers said:

Nov 3, 2014 15:42:16 GMT xtztxtxz said:

There's no way GW are selling a model that size for $20. It'll be a kit that can make one of those three options for ~$60.

We don't know the size. The base looks round in the pic, so that would mean it's not a MC base, more like the dakkafex base. $60 seems low, but who knows?

The base is too flat to be a 60 millimeter base. It has to be at least the same as a trygon base.

Also the 6 wound profile suggests a big model.

[almostmercury]

If it can carry Tyrannofexes, I'm sure i'll be oval at least.

[rogueaccount]

Nov 3, 2014 15:49:41 GMT mattblowers said:

Nov 3, 2014 15:42:16 GMT xtztxtxz said:

There's no way GW are selling a model that size for $20. It'll be a kit that can make one of those three options for ~$60.

We don't know the size. The base looks round in the pic, so that would mean it's not a MC base, more like the dakkafex base. $60 seems low, but who knows?

Looking at the Venom Cannons on the one on the left, I'd wager that's an oval base.  Likely only 1 to a box since you can build 3 different units out of it.  The price tag seems spot on for a single big base MC. 

[asmodas]

Nov 3, 2014 13:01:09 GMT Mauler said:

Just over twice the cost of a Drop Pod:

Carries twice as much (20 lil' Gribs/18 'Stealers + BL, 6 Warriors/Guard/'Thropes/'Vores or 1 MC).
More heavily armed.
Can move.
Can...sort of...hold it's own in assault.
Looks disgusting.
Doesn't mishap.

That's really pretty good. I don't care that units can't assault from it because nothing can assault from deep striking reserves anyway. Faith in GW has kinda paid off, I think. It's different enough to the Mycetic Spore to avoid them getting lawyered and I can imagine units like the Haruspex and Dimachaeron seeing a bit more use.

WHERE'S MY PYROVORES?

Oh, I am so putting a Haruspex in this thing!

[rogueaccount]

Honestly I want to see the look on my local mahreen player's faces when I drop some exocrines in their backfield.