Catacomb Command Barges

[javaman21011]

Can the Necro CCB's hit a Swooping FMC? I've been told that one of the Necron FAQs from 6th ed says no, but so far haven't had much luck finding anything on the subject.

[Jabberwocky]

Ive seen it mentioned in a few tactics thread so my initial response would be yes (like a much better vector strike), but I'd have to do a bit more research to be confident.

[vectron]

There's a bit of controversy on the actual hitting of the flyers, but I believe it can, as the sweep attacks of the CCB is neither shooting nor close combat attacks. It's a bit of a special snow-flake status that will probably be either clarified or brought in line with the rest of the codexes come the release of the new one.

As for those arguing that skimmers move lower than flyers and the CCB therefore don't get to sweep them, that is very clearly covered (and countered) by the rules for skimmers. I don't have the book on me, but from memeory "Skimmers may move over enemy and frindly models"; with no exceptions at all for flyers or anything else. The CCB may "sweep models it moves over".

[javaman21011]

Aye I was leaning towards reading the rules for skimmers and just accepting that the CCB can move over our tyrants and sweep them :\ that makes an engagement problematic and probably requires taking it out quickly with egrub templates or multiple carnifex assaults.

[vectron]

Tarpitting with termagants or gargoyles works well, too, and is very cost efficient (chariots can't disengage any more).

[mattblowers]

In that case it would hit Flyers as well as FMCs. Remember, everything hits FMC now: scattered blasts, templates that target another model, etc.

[javaman21011]

Are we required to declare Jink before an opponent rolls for scatter?

[WestRider]

Sept 23, 2014 17:42:05 GMT javaman21011 said:

Are we required to declare Jink before an opponent rolls for scatter?

You can only Jink when the Unit in question is declared as the target of a shooting Attack. If you get hit by an attack that was targeted at a different Unit, there's no chance to declare Jink at all.

[javaman21011]

So if I am swooping right next to a unit of gaunts, and he declares that he wants to hit one of the gaunts with a blast template, and gets a direct hit. I am powerless?

[gigasnail]

If he scatters onto the flyrant, yes. Or has enough room to clip the flyrant with the blast marker.

[javaman21011]

Only the base though, thankfully!

[killme304]

Did they remove it from the necron faq? Last edition they specifically stated that it didn't.

EDIT: Yep, they did remove it. I get to cleave flyers in half again w00t!

Main rules, Pg 89: "Skimmers can move over friendly and enemy models, but they cannot end their move on top of either."

Necrons, Pg 52: "These attacks can be made in the Movement phase against one enemy unit that the Catacomb Command Barge moves over."

Is it kinda cheesy? You bet, but dems da rules.

Fluff-wise it makes sense though, since the barge is stated to "hover high above the army, so that all Necrontyr could see their Overlord's presence and take heart from it." Later on, it states "The last sight of many an enemy has been that of a Catacomb Command Barge swooping out of the sky with the Overlord's blade gleaming as it swings around..."

[javaman21011]

Hmm I wasn't aware of that fluff, and I guess it makes now. I just wish we could take a Jink save or something. Otherwise it seems we just need to wait til its our move, swoop in for some egrubs and have some gaunts ready to tarpit it.

[killme304]

Put some TL devs in its rear arc if they have the balls to do this to you. Its actually not easy to pull a sweep off in game against certain formations (not like data slates, I mean how they are arranged) since you can't be within 1". Move the rest of your stuff to minimize places he can go and destroy the rear arc.