Tyraind Army List Deathmatch Finals

[yoritomo]

For the 10 anniversary of The Tyranid Hive we are having ourselves a little competition between the moderators and a few chosen members. Each one has made an army list and you guys will vote to see which one is better. We're going to be doing this deathmatch style, so the winner goes on to next week and the loser just goes home.

Now it is up to you. Vote on which ever army you feel is the best of the two. Note that the criteria for best is entirely up to you. We've also replaced the army list's creators name just to remove any kind of favoritism.

[yoritomo]

The "War" Army

CAD
Hive Tyrant, Wings, 2xTL Devourers, Electroshock Grubs
Hive Tyrant, Wings, 2xTL Devourers, Electroshock Grubs
3 Ripper Swarms, Deep Strike
3 Ripper Swarms, Deep Strike
Venomthrope
Venomthrope
Zoanthrope
19 Gargoyles, Adrenal Glands
18 Gargoyles, Adrenal Glands
Hive Crone
Biovore
Biovore

Allied Detachment
Hive Tyrant, Wings, 2xTL Devourers, Electroshock Grubs
3 Ripper Swarms, Deep Strike
3 Hive Guard
Hive Crone

1846 Points. FMCs start in any available cover or screened by Gargoyles in the Venomthrope bubbles. Rippers Deep Strike onto Objectives. Zoanthrope contributes Warp Charge and finds somewhere to hide and keep the Hive Guard and Biovores in line while they shoot and also hide. Gargoyles run interference for the FMCs, tarpit, threaten AV10, and generally make nuisances of themselves.

[yoritomo]

The "Peace" Army

Flyrant with brainleech devs and e-grubs (240)
Flyrant with brainleech devs and e-grubs (240)
30 termagants (120)
Tervigon (195)
3 Ripper swarms with deep strike (45)
3 Ripper swarms with deep strike (45)
Harpy with twin linked venom cannon (140)
Crone (155)
Crone (155)
Carnifex with brainleech devs (150)
Tryannofex (175)
2 Zoanthropes (100)
Venomthrope (45)
Venomthrope (45)



Since out best units are flyers I went with those. The list kind of went full on nidzilla from there when I added the tervigon, T-fex and dakkafex.

[Deleted]

So, my motivator for this vote(because I like both lists and they're similar) is that if I had to play the war army I'd have to deal with unpacking and moving a handful of metal gargoyles(the devil) because like 1/5th of mine are still metal.

I VOTE FOR PEACE IN THE GRIMDARK.

[infornography]

While tervigons are not anti-competitive, I don't think they are still truly competitive either. For that reason I vote for WAR!

[alwayswanted2bnids]

Well I haven't voted in any of the other matches but I vote for war I just love gargoyles think they are dead good fun


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[justicar]

The war list is invalid as you can't take an allied detachment of the same faction
Exact wording is 'all units chosen must have a different faction to any of the units
in your primary detachment (or no faction)'page 122 brb 7th ed
If they added another troop choice the list would become valid again as you can take
As many CADs as you wish, and you don't need permission of your opponent to do it.

So on that basis I vote peace

[infornography]

Justicar, an explicit permission was given for that in the contest rules...

[justicar]

Meh I just got here, my bad, but I would of voted the same anyway.

[sneggy]

I voted for the peace army.

It contains the same number of FMC (albeit one less flyrant) but carries many more threats and damage dealers. Really the war army only has 3 targets. The Peace army has much greater target saturation, threats and I still rate Tervigons.
I think theres an argument btw for min sized hormagaunt or termagant units over rippers, more survivable, slim chance of actually doing something and hormagaunts at least are fast enough to still grab the harder to reach objectives.

[tag8833]

Sept 18, 2014 14:00:12 GMT infornography said:

While tervigons are not anti-competitive, I don't think they are still truly competitive either. For that reason I vote for WAR!

Would I rather have a tervigon or another Flyrant.  No contest.  

BTW.  Tervigons are bad.   Too steep of an investment for a unit that contributes very little other than synapse.  

[tylertt]

Tervigons really are not as bad as some make them out to be. Sure they are a shadow of their former codex-self, but they still can give a lot onto the table. Spawning Gants is still a huge boost on the table, plus if you use E-grubs and CClaws, they can be a rather big threat to a lot of targets. If you play smart, the backlash hit is not bad at all, and can be completely avoided.

I'm also not saying that you should take multiple Tervs, but that the Tervigon is not a bad unit at all.

[tarrasque]

Sept 22, 2014 1:27:49 GMT tag8833 said:

Sept 18, 2014 14:00:12 GMT infornography said:

While tervigons are not anti-competitive, I don't think they are still truly competitive either. For that reason I vote for WAR!

Would I rather have a tervigon or another Flyrant.  No contest.  

BTW.  Tervigons are bad.   Too steep of an investment for a unit that contributes very little other than synapse.  

If by very little you mean psychic support, objective secured, MC stat line and creating more troops, then yes. I agree.
And as I love taking Devilgaunts to my matches, even the cost is somewhat of a non-issue.

[infornography]

Tervigons do bring a lot to the table, but not as much as you could bring with other units for that cost.

The psychic support is nothing great. Psyker powers are so much less reliable in 7th ed that adding another ML1 psyker is no big deal. The spawning of termagants isn't a big deal either considering the cost of the unit isn't saving you much if any points on just buying those units from the beginning. And while that MC statline meant a great deal in 5th and 6th ed, it means almost nothing other than survivability in 7th ed. The counterattack is wholly unreliable, and the risk of it dying and taking a lot of termagants with it is a problem.

Everything that made the Tervigon a borderline unit in 6th ed was either removed or nerfed heavily in 7th. And it was only barely worth taking in 6th. No, I think they are pretty much a waste of points and potential in the current edition.

[tarrasque]

Psychic support is definitely unreliable, but can still help. Spawned gaunts may be a shadow of their former selves, but they do help mitigate the cost of our Tervigon, and do give us more bodies. Anything that gives you an advantage in army size has at least a psychological effect on your opponent, and can help to snatch up objectives, without diverting a larger brood.

Counter attack is automatic this edition so I'm not sure what you mean by unreliable.

Survivable synapse is always a good thing. It what our warriors wish they were.

I'm not saying tervigons are great, but they aren't terrible (if you plan to take Devilgaunts anyways)