Nids and Nova

[coredump]

remember the BAO... how cool it was to have Nids in 1st, 3rd, and 8th after the first day...??

Yeah, well.... not the same at NoVa.

After 5 games, the highest Nids are 41, 62, 93.... (Don't know the other two, but InControl is in 62nd.)


For the Invitational, none of the 32 invited brought Nids.


Oh well....

[gigasnail]

ouch.

[mattblowers]

chants

WE'RE 41st!!
WE'RE 41st!!
WE'RE 41st!!
WE'RE 41st!!

/chants

And we thought we weren't a good codex.

/sarcasm.

[sunnyrobert]

Any special rules used in nova?

[Davor]

All it shows is how a lot of people need to with with plastic toy soldiers, and you can tell who plays for the love of their army.

Before it was a lot of Space Wolves players. Then it was Grey Knights. Funny how a lot of them are not being played anymore. Last year it was Tau and Eldar. All Tournies prove is people need to win and they will do anything to win. Yes a few people play for the love of the game, or their army but that is rare and only a few people who do it.

I am glad Tyranids don't do well in Tourneys. We don't have to be criticized what we play the army we love and say we only play them because they are powerful.

[Kwodd]

Was NOVA more rigid than BAO? Multiple detachments, formations, dataslates, LoW?

[coredump]

Very similar, they actually worked together to make sure it was similar. There were some differences however.... not sure exactly what they were. (I think NoVa had no FW, but not sure)

[gigasnail]

Aug 31, 2014 3:34:29 GMT Davor said:

All it shows is how a lot of people need to with with plastic toy soldiers, and you can tell who plays for the love of their army.

Before it was a lot of Space Wolves players. Then it was Grey Knights. Funny how a lot of them are not being played anymore. Last year it was Tau and Eldar. All Tournies prove is people need to win and they will do anything to win. Yes a few people play for the love of the game, or their army but that is rare and only a few people who do it.

I am glad Tyranids don't do well in Tourneys. We don't have to be criticized what we play the army we love and say we only play them because they are powerful.

stahp.

[Yautja]

With our two new FW units complimenting our Dakka MCs I thought we'd fare alright in such a setting

[brassangel]

It's not like they did poorly. Consider that the bulk of players at such events are among the best of the best. To be upset because a guy playing [our] pet army finished no higher than 41st is pretty weak. It's not an indicator of the army, overall; perhaps just a match up thing. Small mistake here, one lucky 6 there, and that's all it takes to differentiate some players. It's easy for us to oversimplify things from the sideline. I see top players using Tyranids competitively. The meta hasn't changed from the BAO to Nova, so it has nothing to do with codex creep, or any other falsity the internet spews.

Aug 31, 2014 3:34:29 GMT Davor said:

All it shows is how a lot of people need to with with plastic toy soldiers, and you can tell who plays for the love of their army.

Before it was a lot of Space Wolves players. Then it was Grey Knights. Funny how a lot of them are not being played anymore. Last year it was Tau and Eldar. All Tournies prove is people need to win and they will do anything to win. Yes a few people play for the love of the game, or their army but that is rare and only a few people who do it.

I am glad Tyranids don't do well in Tourneys. We don't have to be criticized what we play the army we love and say we only play them because they are powerful.

To some people, the love of the game is about winning. You don't get to decide what that means.

Consider how many people get sad or depressed when reading that their favorite army lost; or even become afraid to so much as play this game because they don't want to experience loss. Like...genuine fear that spills out of them and through their keyboards (or phones) onto internet boards, like this one, simply because of playing a game they could potentially lose. A game that will have no real impact on their life or the world spinning tomorrow. Does that not imply that winning has a lot to do with the enjoyment from playing a game with an opponent? Especially at the competitive level?

EDIT: Weren't a few of the Tyranid players 3-0 after day 1, and X-1 after day 2? It's not like Tyranid players were getting tabled or 0-fer'd; there are several scoring factors at work. Most of the players there I've spoken to don't talk about the "cheese" with ill hatred either. They say it's well run, and the players are all pretty cool. Contrary to the misguided belief that people building power-lists are all jerks...

[maista]

"This means nothing!
In my LGS, I'm winning with Tyranids ALL THE TIME! The b00ns at Nova better learn 2play with Tyranids! So what if our codex has weaknesses? To me, they are strenghts after all because they force me to up my game. Its all about adapting and overcoming, and that's what Tyranids are all about, right? ...Right?"


Tyranids still make a nice cinematic villain that loses in the end. Ideal GM-controlled faction.

[WestRider]

Aug 31, 2014 6:12:39 GMT coredump said:

Very similar, they actually worked together to make sure it was similar. There were some differences however.... not sure exactly what they were. (I think NoVa had no FW, but not sure)

No LoW or FW at NOVA, and a more restricted set of Fortifications. BAO also had a rules change limiting 2+ Svs to 4+ on the re-roll.

[macdaddyt]

According to FLG InControl (The tyranid guy) is doing well. He's 4-2 and he has played against some NASTY stuff. From what I've seen NOVA has got some serious cheese issues lol. But the fact that a Nid list with no FW or LoW is 4-2 after facing things like Tripple Knights and 2 riptides along with other disturbing combos and is pretty impressive. Another thing I've seem is that most if the games are Really close. Only a few have been blowouts and those are primarily because one list will directly counter another (which is bound to happen) InControl apparently only got stomped by a Wave serpent spam list that gives those nasties a 230 degree ark. Nids have competative potential. It just takes the right build and the right player to achieve it.

Here's the FLG article
www.frontlinegaming.org/2014/08/29/nova-open-so-far-so-good/

[coredump]

Sure, he is doing 'okay', as long as you define that as not quite being in the top 33%. He was about 62 out of 183 players.

NoVa also does something 'different' after the first 4 games (which I highly approve of, but it is different)

THe first 4 games are designed to put you into a 16 player bracket, and you then never leave that bracket. So once InControl finished game 4, he was placed in bracket 4. So for every game after that, he will only ever play against the other 15 people in bracket 4. So even if he wins the next 3 games, the fourth game will also be against someone that did 'okay' after the first 4 games. IOW, after the first 4 games, he will never again face the players doing really well at NoVa, because they are 'stuck' in Brackets 1, 2, 3, ahead of him.



Now, don't get me wrong, going 60 out of 180 at NoVo *is* doing pretty well, there is some really good competition there. But when that is the second highest performance for all NId players.... it doesn't make the codex look all that competitive.

[nameless]

As often as I disagree with Brassangel, he is right in this case. Tyranids have nothing even close to some of the power lists out there, so it's no wonder they are lower positioned.

That trip-knight formation with re-rolls on invunerables is crazy. Add in riptides or Wraithknights and you're good to go.

NOVA is more about list building that BAO, in which, people seem to take the strongest stuff out there. It's pretty hard for a tyranid list to compete against that without a GC.