Dimachaeron test

[Kyokii]

So, today I fielded the Macaroon against blood angels, was maelstrom mission 1 and all that.
I got to go first and deployed aggressively, my opponent did the same.

I'm not going too in depth since it isn't fresh in my mind anymore but I know what the Dimadude did:
Turn 1 - moved forward near cover to get closer to assault marines.
Opponent moved his assault marines AWAY from Dimdim.
Turn 2 - moved closer, failed charge, took a wound.
Opponent moved his marines further away, but other assaults kept his stuff relatively close

Turn 3 - Dillon assaulted the... Sanguinary guard? The gold armor winged jetpack guys. Killed 3/5 and took two wounds in return. failed his eating autohit
finished the squad and consolidated opponent's turn.
Turn 4 - assaulted assault marines, killed them all and consolidated
turn 5 - was shot and dealt nothing due to casting feel no pain from Zoanthropes.
Turn 6 - moved closer to the predator that shot at it.
took another wound to assault cannon fire.
Turn 7 - reached and destroyed the predator that shot at it.

All in all, the Dimachaeron created about a 30" bubble of denial just by existing. It has a downside in its massive number of attacks in that it has a really good chance of outright killing everyone and not getting a plasm token.
It's as survivable as a trygon for 10 pts more and can be a major distraction.
Part of the reason I tabled my opponent was for the thing being there.

I really like it. I don't know how often I'd us the thing- need to test on more armies than an assaulty one.

However, it is as hard to kill as a tervigon and hits harder than a tyrant. Obvious downside is reaching combat (I never ran the thing, either). But once it does it can create a chain reaction of pain. It will most likely win combat and be shot at, however.

Gonna keep trying it out, see how it goes.

But, I like it. It is a monster that keeps my Heavy support free. I'm not much for crones or harpies.


Anyone else try it out?

[swarm492]

Not yet, but I look forward to it, thanks for the info.

[Bot]

Oh yeah, it's Elite, right? So what Heavy support did you bring?

[WestRider]

I'm just happy that I'm not the only one who calls it the macaroon

[doomminion]

Thanks for the report. I am happy to here big D is living up to expectations.

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[Mauler]

Nice work!

Aug 11, 2014 9:04:08 GMT Bot said:

Oh yeah, it's Elite, right? So what Heavy support did you bring?

Fast Attack

[Yautja]

All sounds very promising going by that battle, but as it shares the same defensive stats as many of our other MCs (T/W both 6 with +3sv) which I have seen blown away with concentrated fire in a single turn (*cry*) I can't help but suspect your battle against an assault orientated force made it look amazing when it is probably just 'good'.

[swarm492]

True, but dice are dice. In one game in a single shooting phase my tervigon lost 5 of its 6 wounds to a single squad of firewarriors.

[Kyokii]

Aug 11, 2014 9:04:08 GMT Bot said:

Oh yeah, it's Elite, right? So what Heavy support did you bring?

Fast, and my heavy was a pair of dakkafexes, a Tfex, and an Exocrine.
rest of list was two flyrants, Tervi and gants, 20 gargoyles on adrenaline, and 2 zoanthropes.

Aug 11, 2014 11:14:18 GMT Yautja said:

All sounds very promising going by that battle, but as it shares the same defensive stats as many of our other MCs (T/W both 6 with +3sv) which I have seen blown away with concentrated fire in a single turn (*cry*) I can't help but suspect your battle against an assault orientated force made it look amazing when it is probably just 'good'.

You're absolutely right in that regard, methinks.
Though, my opponent was killing an MC a turn (Tfex, exocrine, a flyrant) but quickly lost firepower from getting shot and the dima taking out the heavy CC hitters.
It is, to me, what the trygon was before the nerf. But fast attack and without the deep strike. the 6 minimum attacks at I6 sells it for me, because I4 just won't help near as much in assault.
For 2 turns the dimallama did nothing but scare off assault units.
What sells it for me is the fast attack, since I use heavy lot.


As for shooting luck, The Tfex lost 3 wounds to assault cannon fire and the flyrant died via crashing. Then close combat killed the tfex, exo, gargoyles, and 3 units of spawned gants.

[coredump]

I think the trick with the dimathingy, is now you *know* what your opponent is going to shoot at first. So you make sure it is the most protected.

If you have 2 fexes and an exocrine, the opponent is going to shoot at the one that isn't near the venom, and doesn't have catalyst.... If you have 2 fexes and the Dimathingy, you can put the Dima near a venom and give it catalyst, and he will probably still shoot at the Dima. Meaning it will take a lot more firepower to put it down.

And as evidenced, even if you don't charge with it, it works as a pretty solid area denial unit. Its pretty tall, but some places still have BLOS terrain that can hide it.

[chuckles]

At some point GW are really going to have to address the whole "assault units can't be too good or they end up screwing themselves" issue. The possibility that you will wipe out an enemy unit in a single round of combat should not be a drawback.

[milkybarnid]

Dimachaeron has same problem as the rest of our TMC, its fine the way it is. It can get shot to death easily if the opponent desires.

chuckles - wiping a squad out in one turn isn't a drawback its the players who moan when they make a mistake like leaving their squad in the open without support that get things nerfed. THAT SAID they are a minority.
Also have you managed any games of 40k yet?

[Jabberwocky]

I keep seeing people saying that killing the enemy too quickly is a negative. I can't believe they aren't just using smash on the turn they charge and then their normal attacks to slaughter the squad on the enemy turn...

[doomminion]

Aug 11, 2014 15:22:06 GMT coredump said:

I think the trick with the dimathingy, is now you *know* what your opponent is going to shoot at first. So you make sure it is the most protected.

If you have 2 fexes and an exocrine, the opponent is going to shoot at the one that isn't near the venom, and doesn't have catalyst.... If you have 2 fexes and the Dimathingy, you can put the Dima near a venom and give it catalyst, and he will probably still shoot at the Dima. Meaning it will take a lot more firepower to put it down.

And as evidenced, even if you don't charge with it, it works as a pretty solid area denial unit. Its pretty tall, but some places still have BLOS terrain that can hide it.

I agree with Coredump.
While it is not possible to completely prevent the Dimabug from dying running some venoms or Malanthropes behind it, and using smart use of cover should go a long way towards making it a real pain in the ass to kill. And hey if they are all focused there that just let's the rest of your army run rampant. If someone is not shooting my Hive Tyrants I am happy.

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[Hive Bahamut]

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