A model substitution thought...

[seethe]

Posting in the "One more time with feeling" thread got me thinking, and rather than continue my rambling tangent that seemed to be going off topic there, I decided to share an idea here.

It appears to me that the focus of 7th is mixing and matching armies to cover weaknesses and build on strengths. I do miss the good ole days of running hordes of killy nids straight into close combat, and so have been working on coming up with a way to deliver units into melee with some sort of reliability.

For about the same cost as 3 nid warriors with a B.S., we can bring a wad of ork boys, complete with a trukk and a power klaw nob. I've already said this a few times, and many of you have probably already figured it out but that is not the main point of my thought.

I think it would be interesting to substitute in some nid models for the orks. We all have piles of gants, so why not use them as boys. A tervigon would take the place of the trukk and warriors for the nobs. Fluff wise it makes a little bit of sense to me. Instead of an entire unit of warrior nids roaming the battle you have them imbedded into units of lesser gribblies providing leadership and support. You could use a nid prime as a warboss for the much needed Waaagh

Obviously for any kind of tourney you would need to get it cleared, but I think for friendly games it would be a cool way to build an assault heavy list with a bunch of models we already have.

Any who this massive wall of text is bogging my little phone down thats it for now. I just thought it was interesting and wanted to hear y'all thoughts on the idea.

[abrahamlleida]

I think it's cool.
I've already been thinking on something similar (but as they don't need synapse, useing some "new models" made from scratch with bits xD

An other option you have is to take a box of Boys and a bunch of tyranid bits and make a "genestealer cult", they being Orks with Tyranid DNA in their organisms (It should be clear enough, and give yourself some background on why they are fighting with Tyranids).

[seethe]

Yeah no synapse is another plus. I've also toyed with the idea of putting grots on the back of gants to differentiate between counts as boys squads. Would make for some numerous models I think.

[gingerwerewolf]

I came up with an idea a while back to do a Genestealer Cult that had infected an Ad Mec world. The Cult of the Precogniscience Engine - an Ad Mec cult who investigated the idea that future events were calculable - Fore warned is fore armed (Four Armed Geddit?)

But the principle I was going to use was to build Ad Mech Versions of Tyranids - Create an Ad Mech Army but using 5th ed Nid rules

Termagants would be represented by Cultists with Bolt Pistols

So a Tervigon would be made from a Chimera, where the Tracks were replaced with 3 sets of Sentinel Legs. It would have a Teleporter on it that "Linked" back to the Workshop through which the Cultists would jump onto the Battlefield

The Hive Guard were Automatons with Big Guns - my first thought was Ogryns with a Special Missile Launcher - but now FW have the "Castellax Battle-Automata" I would use them. Also Warriors would be Mechanicum Thallax Cohort

The Zoanthropes were going to be represented by Magi on little floating platforms.

Biovores were going to be Ad Mech painted Mortar Teams - Spore Mines - Servo Skulls floating with Grenades attached

For Venomthrops, I was going to use the left over bodies from the Sentinels, make them float with Mecha dendrited beneath, and stick Promethium Canisters all over them to represent the gas.

Stealers = Stealers and Brood Lords = Patriarchs.

When the 6th Ed Codex came out, and the Exocrine turned up - well that was just going to be a Plasma Variant of the Leman Russ, again walking on Sentinel Legs.

Again it was just to use the Models - so I could have "Allies" as Nids for my Nids

[j0rdan]

I've considered running pyrovore models as broadsides.

[seethe]

I wonder if you were to make such a comprehensive substitution like that if it would be accepted in any kind of tournament platform...I mean you are using GW/FW parts.

[Davor]

Jul 31, 2014 23:44:39 GMT seethe said:

I wonder if you were to make such a comprehensive substitution like that if it would be accepted in any kind of tournament platform...I mean you are using GW/FW parts.

Well isn't that called Unbound? Perfectly legal.

ON another note, I tried to make thread like this. "counts as Nids" take other codices and and use them as Nids. Didn't take off. I hope this one does.

I thought maybe using the Ork Waagh rule so you can have Stealers assault while they run. Might be fun to use once.

[Kyokii]

I'm thinking of taking some of those super tiny scarabs and putting them on my hive tyrants to make a "mindshackled" tyranid ally list. Think it'd be pretty neat, and I can fluff instinctive behavior as some of the nids resisting the mindshackles and attacking one another for being compromised.

[seethe]

I dont necessarily mean unbound, I just mean using nid models with another codexes rules really, in place of the orks for example. A way to keep an "all nid feel" but take advantage of allies or multiple CADs. I really need to get offof work and get to some modeling.

Few more ideas. Ravener models might make some good bikers. Hit and run, scout moves, cover saves (from slithering around so quickly of course) that is one model I have always loved but never put to very good use. Red terror would make a good HQ type biker.

I think mindshackled nids would work too. Plus it would be cool to see some half space skeleton robot nids. Lots of cool conversions there I bet.

[omnivore]

I may use my Scythed Heirodule as an Imperial Knight.

[gingerwerewolf]

Jul 31, 2014 23:44:39 GMT seethe said:

I wonder if you were to make such a comprehensive substitution like that if it would be accepted in any kind of tournament platform...I mean you are using GW/FW parts.

And Ad Mech dont exist as legal rules in 40k - only 30k... I think Id need to pass it by the Warhammer World Team, and whatever list I took, take the equivilents in Nids as well

[Kyokii]

Another one would be Daemons or CSM. Warriors as Terminators, Hive Tyrants as daemon Princes. Hormugants as bloodletters?
Raveners as Chaos Spawn? You can then model Red Terror as that Juggernaut HQ and join them
Rippers as nurglings.
Pyrovores as Noise marines.
Carnifex as Maulerfiend
Exocrine as Forgefiend, maybe add the Tfex TL devs to replace the trex arms.
Zoanthropes can be heralds of tzeentch or something?
Hell, use your DoM on a bigger base as Fateweaver.
Crone can be a Heldrake easy. Better flamer, reaker Vector Strike.
Tervigon as a Land Raider.

[seethe]

Heh finally a use for pyrovores.

[Davor]

Aug 1, 2014 2:38:04 GMT seethe said:

I dont necessarily mean unbound, I just mean using nid models with another codexes rules really, in place of the orks for example. A way to keep an "all nid feel" but take advantage of allies or multiple CADs. I really need to get offof work and get to some modeling.

Few more ideas. Ravener models might make some good bikers. Hit and run, scout moves, cover saves (from slithering around so quickly of course) that is one model I have always loved but never put to very good use. Red terror would make a good HQ type biker.

I think mindshackled nids would work too. Plus it would be cool to see some half space skeleton robot nids. Lots of cool conversions there I bet.

That is what I mean. You can use every codex and pick and choose what you feel are Niddy rules, or just pick a codex say Orks and use your Nid minis. I think Orks are good, because in my view, Gaunts shouldn't be good at shooting and since Orks are BS2, it would be perfect for my vision of Gaunts.

[Yautja]

Hate to admit but you are so right! Guants shouldn't have a higher BS than Orks.

Maybe it's down to Synapse control?