CC Flyrants?

[creatureboi]

Just wondering with the new rules - is anyone running a CC Flyrant as a second or third flyrant? My thinking is that they don't have to be swooping to get the 4+ jink and if they are equipped for combat there's no down side to jinking. They can deploy next to a venomthrope for 2+ cover and should be able to stay in range for turn 2 as well (assuming the thrope survives the first turn).



My idea was to give it maw claws and charge into a tasty target ASAP to get maximum use out of preferred enemy while a brood of tyrant guard with crushing claws run up behind. Once flyrant is PE'd up and out of combat he joins up with the guard and shares his PE with them too.

not sure how this would play out on the field. Any thoughts?

[tylertt]

In theory it is not a bad idea.

The one huge factor is going back to your meta. If you play in a fairly competitive environment, the effectiveness of this combo will be severely degraded.

But lets look at the +/- anyways

+Strong CC unit
+ (+)2 cov. save potential

- HUGE points sink (Talking about including Tguard)
- Can be tarpitted easily if opponent is smart
- CC<Shooting in 7th
- Depends solely on cover save

As you can see the negatives outweigh the positives by quite a bit. But if your local scene is somewhat softer, then give it a whirl.

Best piece of advice is to try new things and just enjoy your Tyranids. If it fails miserably, make sure you keep your head up as going into the match you need to know the +/- of the combo itself.

[gigasnail]

the idea has merit and we've been kicking it around for a bit but i haven't got to try it yet. the tguard are the really iffy part of the equation; a CC flyrant (wings, egrubs, reaper or maw claws, one set of devourers) as a 3rd (or 4th if you have 3 dakka flyrants) has uses.

[FTGT-BeeCee]

I think the important thing to have is another threat to balance the CC-flyrant. If he is the only unit screaming up the board that is a ground target he will likely face a ton of fire and he won't last even with a 4+ jink save. The venomthrope isn't going to help you for terribly long as you wil outrange the shrouded bubble really fast, especially if terrain is involved.

[gigasnail]

yeah you can't just run a single CC flyrant and call it a day, that's not a threat that's a minor inconvenience.

[Squire]

I like the creative thinking here but I'm struggling to see the point in this. Working backwards from a completed list, what would you take out to fit a CC flyrant in? Would it be better than, say, a trygon or trygon prime? Or a pair of fexes?

If I already had a couple of dakka flyrants and wanted a CC flyrant I think I might go with sword/lash, talons and toxin sacs which could work as an MC killer, but I'd prefer a trygon for the wounds, bit of shooting and extra attack.

Meanwhile at the WC... Germany 7 Brazil 0. Can't believe what I'm watching here

[Jabberwocky]

I have a CC Flyrant in my list mostly for fluff reasons.

Reaper and AG make him great and ripping light vehicles apart as well as other MCs.

With the template and vector strike he can hunt units that hide in cover and I use mine mostly on weaker back field units I might otherwise struggle to reach, as I don't run any long range guns.

I have a Prime warlord so if the Flyrant dies it's not the end of the world, though I do rely somewhat on him for my forward synapse.

He's also incredibly expensive for what he actually brings to the table, but Damn he looks cool.

[nidzy]

I have run CC tyrants and to be honest, I would probably run them in pairs like dakka flyrants, given the opportunity to do so. Flyrants seem to play best when they play together (think adopting a cat, if you have two they will bother each other instead of your curtains...).

The truth of this codex, and this edition though is that you are going to get more out of a shooty flyrant than an assault oriented one. Twelve strength six shots on a flyrant platform is nothing to ignore. If you make than an assault tyrant it is more expensive, just as fragile and tends to have less output. I think it is a fairly easy choice if you are going for a competitive look, to take the devourer flyrant.

[gigasnail]

my idea was to have the CC flyrant hunt things that are irritating to kill with maggots; i.e. WK, RT, other MC's, etc. it may or may not be a good idea to just have a 3rd or 4th dakka flyrant instead and kill by saturation instead, even when wounding on 4-6. the 4+ jink regardless of flight mode made the idea attractive to at least try.

[Squire]

Jul 9, 2014 0:23:19 GMT gigasnail said:

my idea was to have the CC flyrant hunt things that are irritating to kill with maggots; i.e. WK, RT, other MC's, etc. it may or may not be a good idea to just have a 3rd or 4th dakka flyrant instead and kill by saturation instead, even when wounding on 4-6. the 4+ jink regardless of flight mode made the idea attractive to at least try.

Your idea for a flyrant with one set of devourers and a CC option is interesting. I think I'd still go for the extra attack of scything talons or mawclaws because you'll have to snap shot those devourers pretty often with the reliance on jink. For monster hunting I'd take the reaper, scything talons and probably the poisoned template instead of the Egrubs. It would all be about maximising the chances of a 6 to wound roll, and 6 attacks on the charge, striking first with re-rolls to wound seems like the best way to go about that. Those upgrades would work okay for hacking through infantry too, but I'd let other units deal with vehicles.

[mattblowers]

That's a ton of points for something that I don't think would be that much of an improvement. Maybe if you screened with gargoyles, that might work. For a 3rd HQ I've been taking Swarmy with 3 tyrant guard and it has worked pretty well but I know a lot of people don't think he's worth the points, but his psyker ability makes him an excellent support piece and that unit can tear it up in CC if you get there.

[coredump]

A CC flyrant with a bonesword has a decent chance of killing a wraithknight on the charge. Not bad....

[gigasnail]

...of course there's gargoyles lol.

as to snap shotting from jink, a flyrant with a devourer + CC morph of choice isn't snapshotting any more or less than any other flyrant. it gives you options with the unit (and the ability to soften up targets before combat; even a CC flyrant is still only middle of the road in ability), where a straight CC flyrant has pretty much one use only. all that stuff we went over in 6th, where a set of devourers is pretty much the best CC biomorph you can take? its even more applicable now.

tl;dr: this is something i wanted to play around with in 6th; with the changes in 7th to jink, i think it might have a place. *might* being operative. with crones being downgraded from "i'll take two please" to one and done (if you take them at all), this helps open up points for a 3rd or 4th flyrant (depending on what kind of army construction rules your area plays by).

[Squire]

Yea but a swooping dakka flyrant isn't having to rely on jink as much as a gliding build where everything can hit it at normal BS

[gigasnail]

you swoop when you need to swoop, and glide when you need to glide, with either unit. even if it is snapshotting it's still getting in 2 hits on average vs. 1 CC attack if you take ST instead, albeit at AP- instead of AP2. not taking the devourer limits the unit's versatility; you won't always have good targets to assault. assault when it's to your benefit, not just because.