Flyrant Deployment

[Yautja]

So far in my games I have been bringing my HT on from reserve, swooping a full 24" and going for enemy units within 18".

Is this the wrong thing to do? In my last game he didn't come on until turn 3, which hurt. Does anyone deploy them at the start (gliding) and get them swooping after? They'd get in the action quicker but can be shot at.

[WestRider]

I haven't run Nids much lately, but in the games I have played, I've always started my Flyrant on the board. Ideally either behind a complete LoS blocker or at least in 4+ Cover plus a Venomthrope nearby.

A Flyrant is a big investment to be holding back like that.

[l0rdf1end]

What WestRider said.
Behind BLOS or in a Ruin next to a Venom or just next to a Venom for a 2+ jink. Sure, you don't want to Jink ideally but i'd rather Jink and keep him alive so he can add value later in the game.
It's all about the matchup though, terrain available and so on. It's not going to be possible to deploy safely in some games.

[Jabberwocky]

Missing the first 2 turns is like being dead for the last 2, or 2 turns earlier if you were going to die anyway.

Look at whether you need him alive for a specific task or if it's just general damage. Also remember anything that isn't shooting the Flyrant, is likely shooting at your other units instead.

[coredump]

Jul 4, 2014 9:21:37 GMT WestRider said:

I haven't run Nids much lately,

Why do you say such spiteful things.... are you *trying* to hurt me??

but in the games I have played, I've always started my Flyrant on the board. Ideally either behind a complete LoS blocker or at least in 4+ Cover plus a Venomthrope nearby.

A Flyrant is a big investment to be holding back like that.

yeah... what he said. I always start them on the board, in a ruin, with a venomthrope nearby.

Remember, the can Swoop on the *first* turn of the game, you do not need to have them Glide for a turn. So if you go first, the enemy will never get to shoot them before they are swooping.

(That said, there have been games where I went first, and still had them glide, because I wanted to stay in Venomthrope range... but those were pretty special cases...)

[Joe the Ripper]

I always try to place my flyrants and crones in ruins for the 4+ cover, and if I can, off the ground on a ruin wall or roof with the venom behind them. If they are grounded, they're still safe from assault and tank shocks. If i cant find a wall or roof, centered in difficult terrain to help keep him safer from enemy assaulting units. I never reserve and only leave the board if it's tactically better than flying onto another ruin.

[1swarmlord]

I always put them on the board but well shielded or hidden unless I go first and then i still deploy with a bit of caution incase i lose the initiative!

[nubitron9000]

In the last 5 games I have gone first, my opponent seized the initiative on me...I echo what everyone else is saying but still keep him hidden regardless of whether you go first. Losing a flyrant turn 1 will make your butt hurt.

[doomminion]

Jul 4, 2014 19:46:26 GMT coredump said:

Jul 4, 2014 9:21:37 GMT WestRider said:

I haven't run Nids much lately,

Why do you say such spiteful things.... are you *trying* to hurt me??

but in the games I have played, I've always started my Flyrant on the board. Ideally either behind a complete LoS blocker or at least in 4+ Cover plus a Venomthrope nearby.

A Flyrant is a big investment to be holding back like that.

yeah... what he said. I always start them on the board, in a ruin, with a venomthrope nearby.

Remember, the can Swoop on the *first* turn of the game, you do not need to have them Glide for a turn. So if you go first, the enemy will never get to shoot them before they are swooping.

(That said, there have been games where I went first, and still had them glide, because I wanted to stay in Venomthrope range... but those were pretty special cases...)

Can you elaborate on swooping in turn 1 please Coredump. I always interpreted the rules as gliding only in turn 1.

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[gigasnail]

you begin the game gliding. so if you go first, you choose which flight mode you're using at the start of the unit's move. if you go 2nd, you're gliding still because you haven't changed modes yet.

[Yautja]

I might prefer to start in reserve if I'm not going first. Being shot at turn 1 while gliding is harsh against some lists.

[tylertt]

If you have proper LOS blocking terrain, you honestly shouldn't have a problem concealing your Flyrant somewhat. But more often then not, he will still be able to be targeted by a few enemy units. So just put pressure onto your opponent by presenting other threats. Make it hard for them to know just who should go down first. Plus if you deploy second, place the Flyrant in the best spot he can survive in.

Reserving the guy is just too darn risky sometimes. Failing to have him arrive on turn 2 is a huge in regards to offensive presence on the table.

[coredump]

Jul 23, 2014 8:58:01 GMT Yautja said:

I might prefer to start in reserve if I'm not going first. Being shot at turn 1 while gliding is harsh against some lists.

Thats why every one of my lists has a venomthrope.... It isn't so bad with a 3+ or 2+ cover save.


Oh, and Giga has it right with the swooping/gliding first turn bit...

[Kwodd]

Venomthrope tax to start them on the board. Ruins are one of the most common terrain pieces in the game so put the flyrants big toes in there with the venomthrope for your non jink 2+.

[doomminion]

Jul 23, 2014 7:00:11 GMT gigasnail said:

you begin the game gliding. so if you go first, you choose which flight mode you're using at the start of the unit's move. if you go 2nd, you're gliding still because you haven't changed modes yet.

Thanks Giga!!!

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