1850, a feast of worms

[glassiya]

Getting tired of being mauled in the face by GW and their rules, so had to come up with something that actually works. Tried several tings, and stopped on this. I know it looks like a rip-off from 6th ed, but back then I played with OOE, pyrovores and mawloc, because I was seeing some potential in them. I don't now, so had find something new to remove from table after hostile shooting phase.

== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Regeneration, Wings = 260 pts.
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Regeneration, Wings = 260 pts.

== Elites ==
Venomthrope (1) = 45 pts.
Venomthrope (1) = 45 pts.

== Troops ==
Tyranid Warrior Brood (110 pts.)
Tyranid Warrior (1) - Deathspitter, Scything Talons = 35 pts.
Tyranid Warrior (1) - Deathspitter, Scything Talons = 35 pts.
Tyranid Warrior (1) - Barbed Strangler, Scything Talons = 40 pts.
Tyranid Warrior Brood (110 pts.)
Tyranid Warrior (1) - Deathspitter, Scything Talons = 35 pts.
Tyranid Warrior (1) - Deathspitter, Scything Talons = 35 pts.
Tyranid Warrior (1) - Barbed Strangler, Scything Talons = 40 pts.
Hormagaunt Brood (24) = 120 pts.
Hormagaunt Brood (24) = 120 pts.
Hormagaunt Brood (24) = 120 pts.

== Heavy Support ==
Carnifex Brood (2) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Adrenal Glands = 330 pts.
Carnifex Brood (2) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Adrenal Glands = 330 pts.

== Total ==
1850 pts.

Dropped prime from HQ, since he became more expensive and less effective. Also, I don't need some backfield synapce there. Flyrants take the role of AA, making Crones (which I never hoped onto) unneeded. Oh, and they also bring free bonus powers and warpcharges.
Warriors lost their old-school poison, but are still good. Been thinking of equipping them with Renders. Granted, they'll rarely come in handy, but... for mere 5 pts, why the hell not.
Hormies suffered the same problem, and instead of fully-buffed ubergaunts now I run three sensible units, covering whole table and making enemy nervous. Also, with big bubbles it's easier to keer its taile in synapce and shroud cloud.
And the last, but not the least - my little carnies. awesome model, awesome rules, love them. Especially now, when every other monster was nerfed, carnifexes still dish out a lot of s9-s10 attacks, which is very sexy. Although to free some points, I had to drop my t-fex (it worked mainly as a distraction unit, now there are othre things for that), and mawloc (I know his theoretical pros, especially against new much-feared Invisibility; but every time I used him in 7th, I NEVER managed to land a "hit" with TftD, so he was just eating pts and dying horribly funny or just plain horribly. Tired of his whims, guy had to rest on a shelf).

Something like that.

Oh, and no matter how I tried to name this list, it ended up sounding like George Martin's book, so I guess this already makes it about 20% cooler.

[gigasnail]

Looks decent. I'd drop the Regen but that's just me. Lots of bodies.

[coredump]

I am not convinced with the AG on the fexes. Since they will normally shooting instead of Running, it only really helps on the charge. Just not sure if that is worth the 60 pts.

I would stay with devourers on the warriors. They may never get to shoot those guns anyway.

I can't comment on the HGaunts.... I don't *think* they are a useful choice, but haven't played them in a long time.

[glassiya]

Jun 19, 2014 23:41:35 GMT gigasnail said:

Looks decent. I'd drop the Regen but that's just me. Lots of bodies.

Flyrants now became a bit more resilient, but still are reflexively targeted here and then. They rarely end up one-shotted in a turn; sohoting scratches them a wound of two, they heal it back. Also, the models themselves are important - it's synapce, psypowers, AA, ground control, and may be even close combat if needed.

Actually, I've been thinking about putting Regen on carnies. Way too pricey, I agree - but with regular castling, unit manage to keep wounded models alive for a longer time without losing its efficiency.

Jun 20, 2014 15:53:47 GMT coredump said:

I am not convinced with the AG on the fexes. Since they will normally shooting instead of Running, it only really helps on the charge. Just not sure if that is worth the 60 pts.
I would stay with devourers on the warriors. They may never get to shoot those guns anyway.
I can't comment on the HGaunts.... I don't *think* they are a useful choice, but haven't played them in a long time.

I'm putting AG on everything that's meant to end in close-combat sooner or later. We have basically army-wide Fleet and Move Through Cover; it's not much of a boon, but we can't be picky now, can we? Also, carnies here are not just plain shooting platform - they're pushing the line, breaking through. Reliable charge here - is something I'm ready to spend 12 gaunts for. Also, sometimes you end up in situations, when shooting won't do you much (necron av13 wall, for example), and closing the distance is much more preferred.

As for gaunts, now in 6th they work as our objective snatchers, running to the opponent's side and securing his points. They're cheap, there's lots of them, you can afford to waste them, since they're expendable. Also, nice tarpitting capability of course, if under tyrant surveillance.

Deathspitters are something I keep from the 6th, they always helped me, and I see no reason to drop them.It's a shooty home-scoring unit anyway, with Strangler and stuff, and for a mere 5 points a model can get +1s +2ap to its weapon. Really, what's not to be liked here?

[gigasnail]

yeah any time i opted to not take AG on my ground based MC's, i've regretted it.

[coredump]

My lists tend to be really tight on points, so I really hate it when folks around here start convincing me to add upgrades.... makes my life hard. Just sayin'....


I can see that... using the HGaunts as fast OS units. Especially in Maelstrom missions.

[gigasnail]

that's your regen addiction talking.

[coredump]

hah... nope. I haven't even added in regen yet, don't have the points.

The 'problem' is I tend to have no upgrades. My current list (which I have not actually played yet... Grrrr....) has 2 5pt upgrades, and one of those is very necessary.

I guess I have 30pts in Barbed Stranglers I could take off my warriors... But that is really it. To go past that I need to remove an entire model/unit. Tfex? Devilfex? Venomthrope? I don't have AG, Regen, Egrubs..... It would mean dropping Tfex, or devilfex, or breaking up my Artillery Node formation, which means I have way too many HS slots.

[gigasnail]

post the list and let's see!

[glassiya]

Jun 22, 2014 3:42:27 GMT coredump said:

My lists tend to be really tight on points, so I really hate it when folks around here start convincing me to add upgrades.... makes my life hard. Just sayin'....

No one acrually convinces you. Everyone has the right to play as they want to play. You're - the one way, I'm - the another. There's no "right" or "wrong" here.

[Yautja]

I'm a huge fan of Regen but even still wouldn't put it on Fexs. With just W4 concentrated fire can have them killed in a single turn. Totally agree with having it on anything with W6 though.

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[subjectbosco]

If you don't mind spending a gaunt for Rending Claws for your Warriors, I don't see why not. I usually take one for every three Warriors in a brood. Just my opinion.

[PlanB]

Completely agree with last post. Gotta love rending on the warriors. I run warrior squads w/ barbed strangler and at least one pair of rending claws.


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[glassiya]

Theoretically I'm totally with you, guys. Actually modeled my warrioirs in threes like this (scythe/spitter, render/spitter, scythe/strangler).

It's just when I give rendings to warriors in this list, the symmetry breaks. xD

[glassiya]

Met an army with two Bastions and lots of Plague Marines. Even in novice's hands it was difficult to handle. Won through the missions, although had major problems with killing/neutralising stuff.

So:

== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Thorax - Electroshock Grubs, Regeneration, Wings = 270 pts.
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Thorax - Electroshock Grubs, Regeneration, Wings = 270 pts.

== Elites ==
Venomthrope (1) = 45 pts.
Venomthrope (1) = 45 pts.

== Troops ==
Tyranid Warrior Brood (120 pts.)
--> Tyranid Warrior (1) - Deathspitter, Rending Claws = 40 pts.
--> Tyranid Warrior (1) - Deathspitter, Rending Claws = 40 pts.
--> Tyranid Warrior (1) - Barbed Strangler, Scything Talons = 40 pts.
Tyranid Warrior Brood (120 pts.)
--> Tyranid Warrior (1) - Deathspitter, Rending Claws = 40 pts.
--> Tyranid Warrior (1) - Deathspitter, Rending Claws = 40 pts.
--> Tyranid Warrior (1) - Barbed Strangler, Scything Talons = 40 pts.
Hormagaunt Brood (26) = 130 pts.
Hormagaunt Brood (26) = 130 pts.
Hormagaunt Brood (26) = 130 pts.

== Heavy Support ==
Carnifex Brood (370 pts.)
--> Carnifex (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Spine Banks, Adrenal Glands, Regeneration = 200 pts.
--> Carnifex (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Spine Banks, Adrenal Glands = 170 pts.
Carnifex Brood (370 pts.)
--> Carnifex (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Spine Banks, Adrenal Glands, Regeneration = 200 pts.
--> Carnifex (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Spine Banks, Adrenal Glands = 170 pts.

== Total ==
2000 pts.

Discuss.