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Post by bolk on Mar 15, 2014 1:09:12 GMT
Either that, or the company is so far out that they try to squeeze as much money as they can out of it before it goes under.
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Post by Inquisitor Stingray on Mar 15, 2014 1:27:50 GMT
Financially speaking I am/was under the impression that the Knights have been a huge hit. And for good reason, the models are gorgeous, the rules almost too good to pass up on. It also puts non-Imperial army players in a tight pinch; a few of them might rage quit, but everyone else will be wanting to buy whatever Knight equivalent GW might release in the future. Power creep blackmailing I suppose you could call it.
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Post by Raven on Mar 15, 2014 1:41:38 GMT
Either that, or the company is so far out that they try to squeeze as much money as they can out of it before it goes under. It wouldn't be going under if they weren't practising these terrible business practices, though. Other theory: They just have no idea what they're doing and have very little understanding of economics and business.
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Post by coredump on Mar 15, 2014 2:27:50 GMT
Already tournaments in my region are flagging for codex: IK will never be allowed other than as allies. So I'm sitting pretty cool. Not sure if thats an improvement. As annoying as an IK army would be, I think 1-2 as allies is the real power build. Other theory: They just have no idea what they're doing and have very little understanding of economics and business. My approach to life: Never assign to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence. Just sayin'...
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Post by Hive Bahamut on Mar 15, 2014 3:10:16 GMT
Scary day in the world of Tyranids when Imperial Guard or Astra Militarium I guess, have access to big d in CC. Best of both worlds. No weakness in the army now.
Whatever bring it on.
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Post by werewalrus on Mar 15, 2014 3:50:34 GMT
These dataslates are like bandaids...or patches that you have to pay for.
Let see...what unit is currently underpowered/underutilized in our rule set?
Lets write them some new rules, make them better, and make a profit.
Case in point...the rumored dataslates for the tau bombers and piranhas.
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Post by WestRider on Mar 15, 2014 4:03:04 GMT
...and they wrote a whole bunch of brand new fluff to make them even less corruptible than Space Marines cutting out sales from anyone who might have wanted to convert Chaos Knights. Never mind that in Epic, Traitor Knight Houses were a big deal, and it was actually only the Traitor Knights that made it into the core books of 3rd Ed Epic, not the Loyalist ones. The Codex is specifically for Imperial Knight Houses and those that support the Imperium. Aside from that, it clearly makes mention of the existence of traitor Knights and the fate of those that have fallen to Chaos. Our local group has a few players who'll be fielding Chaos Knights in friendly games, and they're converting them up right now. And if you run a full army (3 minimum), it really only comes down to modelling. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using proboards It also goes on at length about how incredibly rare they are, using far stronger terms than when describing Traitor Marines. House Drakon being the only House to go Traitor in thousands of years, compared to Marine Chapters, who have a significant number convert to Chaos at least every couple of hundred years. It was a very clear "No, we're not doing Traitor Knights."
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Post by sunnyrobert on Mar 15, 2014 8:59:40 GMT
Anyone with experience going up against them knights?
One of my fellow forum mates was able to use 2 knights as allies and with still enough points to mitigate their gaps, and drew vs an eldar army.... The eldar player ignored the knights and killed all scoring units....but on the other hand kept falling back to the approaching monstrocities....
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Post by N.I.B. on Mar 15, 2014 15:35:10 GMT
Already tournaments in my region are flagging for codex: IK will never be allowed other than as allies. So I'm sitting pretty cool. Not sure if thats an improvement. As annoying as an IK army would be, I think 1-2 as allies is the real power build. It's a big improvement from a main force with 5-6 scoring Knights, so yeah. A few allied Knights will perhaps still cause trouble, but cost an arm and a leg. My current tournament build should be able to handle it.
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Post by mattblowers on Mar 15, 2014 16:26:59 GMT
These dataslates are like bandaids...or patches that you have to pay for. I don't have to do anything. I have a ton of other options (Warmachine/Hordes, Malifaux, Dystopian Legions, Battleground, etc.). I play 40K for the grandeur of it. If I want balance, I'll play another game. Sure I'm disappointed in our codex, but this is the 21st century. I can have a friend let me have a look see at the dataslate and print off just the pages I want for the formation I want to play. You can flame me if you want, but I'm not spending $15 per slate to make my codex that is 60 days old relevant. I bought another Gargoyle brood and two more hive crone/harpies due to the dataslate so GW is still making plenty of shekels from me.
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Post by Davor on Mar 15, 2014 17:41:41 GMT
These dataslates are like bandaids...or patches that you have to pay for. Let see...what unit is currently underpowered/underutilized in our rule set? Lets write them some new rules, make them better, and make a profit. Case in point...the rumored dataslates for the tau bombers and piranhas. I know this is one of those times, that I should be keeping my mouth shut, but I just need to comment. No disrespect, but I am so SICK and TIRED of all the negativity on the internet about 40K and GW in general. First of all, you are wrong my friend. Bandaids, yes you can be correct. Patches you are wrong. A patch would be a Errata/FAQ. Second of all what the FRACK is wrong with GW making money? You don't like money? Do you work? Would you like a better paying job? So you telling me you don't like money and making money is bad? Also you are not a saint. By that I mean, you are not better than GW. GW is not EVIL because they want to make money. All businesses want to make money. Nothing wrong in wanting to make money. Also you are so soooooo WRONG again my friend. "Lets write then some new rules, make them better and make a profit". Ok where is your proof of this? Please show me where there is (please do not swear) GW rules and made better rules for them? I am sure lots of CSM players are still crying/complaining (just like you are now) and they got to codex supplements now. So I don't see that happening. So where is all these "better rules, make profit" coming from? Also since you have a negative attitude. Why the heck are you still here? Obviously you are not happy. So why are you still supporting GW? You might not be buying anything from GW but being on a forum about them, and talking about them, is supporting them and giving the publicity. So if GW is so bad/evil/horrible, why are you still here? So who is the foolish one now? Someone who seems to have the head so far up it's ass, or the one who keeps talking about them and or still supporting them? You do have other options Don't like them. LEAVE. Start something else up. GW is not FORCING us to do anything. Yes they make boneheaded moves, that we can't or don't understand. So if you don't support or like what they do, then why stick around. Who is the foolish one now? Sorry for the rant. Just so sick and tired of people saying GW is evil for wanting to make money but can't back up their claims with actual proof.
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Post by Silegy on Mar 15, 2014 18:20:59 GMT
These dataslates are like bandaids...or patches that you have to pay for. Let see...what unit is currently underpowered/underutilized in our rule set? Lets write them some new rules, make them better, and make a profit. Case in point...the rumored dataslates for the tau bombers and piranhas. -wall of text- tl;dr: Those who spent years feeding GW with tons of money and having years of fun playing with friends and/or on tournaments and didn't instantly quit after GW has turned into a company that doesn't even care about it's products are mentally retarded. Seriously, it's not about GW wanting to make profit, do you even read what are we posting?? I would be happy to buy their overpriced models and their overpriced paints and whatnot. If they would actually put some interest and work into it.
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Post by gigasnail on Mar 15, 2014 19:21:04 GMT
lol
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Post by Inquisitor Stingray on Mar 15, 2014 19:32:02 GMT
I predict this thread going to Hell right... about... now. Davor: Being sick of people being sick of GW is not going to help or change anything. I enjoy reading your posts, but I am certain that you, once you have cooled off, will have no problem (hopefully) seeing how gravely you are missing the point. You often point out that people who need to win with their plastic soldiers have gotten too wrapped up in the game. Rightfully so, perhaps. However, I think something similar can be said about you in this case; if you freak out like this because a bunch of people express dissatisfaction with GW (which wasen't even the point in werewalrus' post), then this forum must have been Hell for you lately. I shan't pass judgement on this, I just find these outbursts of rage rather disturbing. Tyranid players whine a lot, bro.
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Post by werewalrus on Mar 15, 2014 19:57:32 GMT
These dataslates are like bandaids...or patches that you have to pay for. Let see...what unit is currently underpowered/underutilized in our rule set? Lets write them some new rules, make them better, and make a profit. Case in point...the rumored dataslates for the tau bombers and piranhas. I know this is one of those times, that I should be keeping my mouth shut, but I just need to comment. No disrespect, but I am so SICK and TIRED of all the negativity on the internet about 40K and GW in general. First of all, you are wrong my friend. Bandaids, yes you can be correct. Patches you are wrong. A patch would be a Errata/FAQ. Second of all what the FRACK is wrong with GW making money? You don't like money? Do you work? Would you like a better paying job? So you telling me you don't like money and making money is bad? Also you are not a saint. By that I mean, you are not better than GW. GW is not EVIL because they want to make money. All businesses want to make money. Nothing wrong in wanting to make money. Also you are so soooooo WRONG again my friend. "Lets write then some new rules, make them better and make a profit". Ok where is your proof of this? Please show me where there is (please do not swear) GW rules and made better rules for them? I am sure lots of CSM players are still crying/complaining (just like you are now) and they got to codex supplements now. So I don't see that happening. So where is all these "better rules, make profit" coming from? Also since you have a negative attitude. Why the heck are you still here? Obviously you are not happy. So why are you still supporting GW? You might not be buying anything from GW but being on a forum about them, and talking about them, is supporting them and giving the publicity. So if GW is so bad/evil/horrible, why are you still here? So who is the foolish one now? Someone who seems to have the head so far up it's ass, or the one who keeps talking about them and or still supporting them? You do have other options Don't like them. LEAVE. Start something else up. GW is not FORCING us to do anything. Yes they make boneheaded moves, that we can't or don't understand. So if you don't support or like what they do, then why stick around. Who is the foolish one now? Sorry for the rant. Just so sick and tired of people saying GW is evil for wanting to make money but can't back up their claims with actual proof...... I guess that I have some questions to answer... First off, I recognize that you're using me as an example...obviously you don't know me enough to make those assumptions. Rather...you're probably addressing the negative attitudes of many internet whiners. Then again...maybe you are addressing me. My internet feelings aren't hurt...much In regard to my patch analogy, I think its a valid one. Take a game like LoL...they have patches that address issues all the time (adjusting champ strength...etc). The same can be said here. Take a li ok at our own codex....and i don't know...most of the dataslates? How about the buffs that gargoyles received? How about a dataslate that gives you 3 flyrants? All of a sudden...we're much more competitive. I guess this may be a matter of semantics...and we can argue this point all day long. I won't be addressing this matter again, in that I won't change your opinion. If you don't like my analogy....then oh well. As for me being a saint...you are correct. I am not. I'm pretty sure no one here meets that standard. In regard to GW making money, well...its obviously a good thing. How else would they stay around to give us some awesome models? However, releasing products....like...I don't know....Legion of the damned...shows a real lack of respect for their customer base. I think that we all want GW to succeed, they obviously managed to get us to buy into their universe via an awesome story, great models, and some good times. However, as with anything that you care about, you're gonna share your criticisms in order to make sure that this game stays awesome. In regard to me being foolish, and having my head so far up my rear end...well, i'm not the one making assumptions about someone else that they obviously don't know. You don't know me, you don't know ALL of my opinions, but you're more than willing to ascribe these assumptions to myself and thus come to a false conclusion. Its rather ironic. Just because I mentioned a specific example, where I offered a simple cirticism...doesn't mean that I hate GW as a company. The mere fact that I am posting at a site that is centered on their game should OBVIOUSLY show that I don't dislike this company. This probably holds true to anyone who voices a complaint about GW. I tend to show my support for a game via my wallet. Let me assure you that the owner of my FLGS is more than happy to see me on a consistent basis...in that I'm usually building 1-2 armies at a time. GW not forcing me to do anything...yup..you're right. As for you calling me foolish again...well...I'm sticking around because the positives far outweigh the negatives. Hopefully, when GW decides to listen to their consumer base, then that balance will shift even MORE favorably. I honestly believe that they are listening too...but all of the problems aren't going to be answered immediately. If the rumors hold true...in regard to the posiblity of making a Mechanicus army...then clearly GW is going to offer a product that its customers would die for. Then there was that job posting about having a person who's focus was on customer service...I think that I read something along those lines on BoLS. I'm wondering when we'll see the positive outcomes from that. better rules...make profit. I was referring to the rumored dataslates in regard to the tau piranhas. I can't speak for your area, but no one uses them here. With the ability to recover from casualties...simiply by going off of the board and coming back on....maybe we'll start to see more of these. Then there's the D weapon from the Tau Bombers. How many of those do you see? Do you think that you might see more when that dataslate comes out? Maybe. Then again, these rumored dataslates are just that...rumors. Believe it or not, I actually support your ranting. I honestly think that there's way too much complaining about the game, but as I said earlier, its because people are emotionally and financially invested in this game. Unfortunately, you can't make everyone happy, so someone is always going to complain. I actually remain positive, and I'm hoping for the best when it comes to future releases.
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