PSA: Shadow in the warp

[godoftheds]

I've seen a number of people misinterpreting shadow in the warp so I thought I would throw up a topic to note that it's only models with psyker, psychic pilot, or brotherhood of psykers that suffer then penalty not all units.

[DukeMantis]

Which if the enemy runs no psykers means shadow does absolutely nothing.... fortunately a lot of armies do run a psyker. However if your playing in a small gaming group i wouldnt be surprised if the wizards start staying at home when the nids come out to play

[callios]

I would have realy welcomed it, if shadow also affected (i.e. weakened) psyker powers directed against Tyranids.
Seems just logical to me, but since GW rules defy logic on so many levels ...

[bronyzro]

Well, the shadow isn't a intentional psychic defense. It's the very presence of the hivemind blotting out the warp itself.

I'm personally hoping that one of the later dataslates has some sort of ultra-shadow in the warp.

[bolk]

With the new codex, I was hoping that SitW would do something to non-psykers as well. On a 4+, the affected unit can only fire snap shots, or -1 to BS, something like that. But oh well, guess that would make Tyranids too OP

[j0rdan]

Jan 30, 2014 16:00:03 GMT bronyzro said:

Well, the shadow isn't a intentional psychic defense. It's the very presence of the hivemind blotting out the warp itself.

I'm personally hoping that one of the later dataslates has some sort of ultra-shadow in the warp.

I could totally see that being a thing in the "advanced stage of the invasion" dataslate. The final one, with all the MC rules. Technically just rumor at the moment, but here's to hoping.

[glassiya]

wanted to note, that this sunday I had a case of new SiW in 7th edition actually working. The one and only, I guess.

What it was?

Hostile Coteaz casted sanctic Purge Soul on my flyrant.

Was surprised.

[sunnyrobert]

For me was able to cast psychic scream on a psyker, thats a leadership test 2d6+2... Minus 3 due to sitw....suffice to say he was testing on a 5.... Any point over 5 is an auto wound wo armour or cover save...

Sweet...

[Davor]

Jan 30, 2014 15:33:49 GMT DukeMantis said:

Which if the enemy runs no psykers means shadow does absolutely nothing.... fortunately a lot of armies do run a psyker. However if your playing in a small gaming group i wouldnt be surprised if the wizards start staying at home when the nids come out to play

Great for the Tyrnaid player if that happens. Zoans go uncontested. Actually everybody would go uncontested then.

[Yautja]

My last 2 games have been against forces with zero psykers and in both my Zoan managed to do bugger all.

[l0rdf1end]

-3 to their perils check on the perils chart would be sweet!

[bugsfromessex]

what is the actual rule for sitw now? cause in the previous you had to take an ld test with sitw affected but what does it do now?

[yoritomo]

It's the same as it was before 7th edition dropped. GW doesn't change codices just because the core rules change.

Jan 30, 2014 17:32:23 GMT bolk said:

With the new codex, I was hoping that SitW would do something to non-psykers as well. On a 4+, the affected unit can only fire snap shots, or -1 to BS, something like that. But oh well, guess that would make Tyranids too OP

Shadow in the Warp is something that cuts off psykers from everyone else, why would non psykers be affected by it in any way? That would be like a psychic hood giving all space marines a 4+ cover save.



*edit* Dang, I just gave GW a new idea for Space Marines didn't I?

[kippawah]

Jul 1, 2014 16:24:00 GMT bugsfromessex said:

what is the actual rule for sitw now? cause in the previous you had to take an ld test with sitw affected but what does it do now?

-3 Ld to Psykers with 12" of a model with SitW.

SO, it would come into play during the leadership check, prior to the perils table roll, after they have rolled at least 2 6's when casting the power.

Or as was said earlier that if you are casting Psychic Scream within 12" of the Psyker or a unit he's attached to, assuming they use the Psyker's Ld for the check, that same -3 will come into play here, when you successfully cast the power: you'll roll 2D6+2 (I think it is...) against their Ld(-3).

So... not often enough.

[bolk]

Jul 1, 2014 19:42:45 GMT yoritomo said:

It's the same as it was before 7th edition dropped. GW doesn't change codices just because the core rules change.

Jan 30, 2014 17:32:23 GMT bolk said:

With the new codex, I was hoping that SitW would do something to non-psykers as well. On a 4+, the affected unit can only fire snap shots, or -1 to BS, something like that. But oh well, guess that would make Tyranids too OP

Shadow in the Warp is something that cuts off psykers from everyone else, why would non psykers be affected by it in any way? That would be like a psychic hood giving all space marines a 4+ cover save.



*edit* Dang, I just gave GW a new idea for Space Marines didn't I?

Because the fluff describes the Shadow in the Warp not only affecting psykers, but also "normal" people. Psykers feel this dread and sense of paranoia tenfold yes, but others feel it too. But ofcourse grasping after fluff for game rules in Warhammer is a way off longshot