Great 6e Nid insights

[fragile]

Aug 8, 2012 17:06:08 GMT wisdomseyes1 said:

Hive guard don't ignore automatic cover saves. They ignore the BENEFITS OF COVER, not coversaves. The 2 are completely different things.

Coversaves are a type of save.

Cover is something that grants you a coversave (see page 18)

Haven't read the article yet, going to soon though

Not exactly sure what your trying to say here Wisdom.

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He is saying that Impaler Cannons ignore cover saves imparted by cover, which is correct going by the codex. The 6e FAQ however says that Impaler Cannons ignore cover saves from any source.

[wisdomseyes1]

Aug 8, 2012 19:23:58 GMT fragile said:

We are already seeing lascannon/ plasma spam here to counter the Terminators now. Curious how the meta is shifting. There has been no change in vehicles here yet.

Here, I have lost a grand total of 2 games. I have played... Maybe 30 now? LGS and friends both. It's actually quite a nice feeling, considering how much less I am trying ad how much more I am doing.

Initially, people used exactly what they did last edition. Just to see how well it worked. Well... They soon found how fast Tyranids can kill vehicles.

The vehicle spam right now isn't transports. Transports are for the most part garbage. With the exception of fliers. People love fliers, people haven't shifted to fliers over transports of you?

Increased power to infantry's ability to deal with transports makes transports a lot less conviniant. Disembarking rules hurt transports as well. You can't score in transports in transports, transports can't contest, ap2 means something to vehicles now. A rhino went from 35 points to be a "t8" (av11 could be roughly translated to that, s7 needing 4's to glance it, meaning any suggificant results were 5+) scoring unit (put the half of the marines with nothing special in there) to being a 35 point unit that has 3 wounds, lost 1 toughness (because 4's mean something now) that serves as a wall for cover (which is only 5+)

There is not nearly as much that vehicles bring to the table anymore (transports specifically) that they did last edition. Most people prefer fliers for their damage and walking capabilities being more suggificant (flier bases, can't really shoot at them) but they are a bit more expensive (necrons being an exception I believe)

Speaking of necrons. If your LGS is using the same lists as before, you must not har any necron players over there... Or if you did he is probably undefeated.

[wisdomseyes1]

Aug 8, 2012 19:29:37 GMT fragile said:

Aug 8, 2012 17:06:08 GMT wisdomseyes1 said:

Hive guard don't ignore automatic cover saves. They ignore the BENEFITS OF COVER, not coversaves. The 2 are completely different things.

Coversaves are a type of save.

Cover is something that grants you a coversave (see page 18)

Haven't read the article yet, going to soon though

Not exactly sure what your trying to say here Wisdom.

Cover = terrain or intervening models. A benefit of cover is a core save but it is not limited to coversaves.
Cover save = a save.

Impaler cannon says that it ignores the benefits of cover, not coversaves. Junk gives you a coversave, but is not a benefit of cover. Impaler cannon does not ignore the 5+ cover grante by jink

Aug 8, 2012 19:34:29 GMT @60mm said:

He is saying that Impaler Cannons ignore cover saves imparted by cover, which is correct going by the codex. The 6e FAQ however says that Impaler Cannons ignore cover saves from any source.

Where does it say that in the FAQ, I can't seem to find it. I actually can't find any mention of the hibernate guard at all.

[fragile]

Aug 8, 2012 19:48:28 GMT wisdomseyes1 said:

Aug 8, 2012 19:29:37 GMT fragile said:

Not exactly sure what your trying to say here Wisdom.

Cover = terrain or intervening models. A benefit of cover is a core save but it is not limited to coversaves.
Cover save = a save.

Impaler cannon says that it ignores the benefits of cover, not coversaves. Junk gives you a coversave, but is not a benefit of cover. Impaler cannon does not ignore the 5+ cover grante by jink

Tyranid FAQ pg 4. first question

Issue with the tarpit thing. Gants CAN NOT tarpit dreadnoughts. He didnt say it, but it does suck we can't (not unless the dreadnought charges our gants, of course)

Read more: thetyranidhive.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=40053&page=1#ixzz22zDHKTD7

also why not?

[wisdomseyes1]

I stand corrected. That's news to me. Makes my life even easier.

[wisdomseyes1]

Vehicles and assault (page 76 brb) charging a vehicle.

"...however, a unit can not charge a vehicle that it cannot hurt..."

[fragile]

Ah, did not catch that, neat

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You can encircle a Dread with gaunts and force him to fight his way out though haha!

[bloodborne]

Aug 8, 2012 20:57:02 GMT @60mm said:

You can encircle a Dread with gaunts and force him to fight his way out though haha!

Grot boxing principle, used in reverse! ;D

[fleetofclaw]

I completely agree wisdom, 6e we're going to see the meta adjust to us. Listening to the 11th company podcast Blackmoore barely beat a Nid player at the top table at a local tourney, and he admitted he would have lost if it went another round.

At the end of the day it is truly too early to declare this unit or that vehicle dead and gone (well ok there are some exceptions to that rule). When people say, "oh yay, Nids eat infantry and 6e will be all infantry,"... well guess what, people are going to get tired of getting their infantry getting eaten and they'll find the balance between mech and infantry suited for this edition, with the obvious variations depending on list type. I've been playing since 2nd edition, every time a new edition comes out everyone wants to get a bead on where the meta will go, and frankly everyone still has the previous edition mindset that they filter things through. Only time will tell.

No matter how the dust settles, there is one thing for sure...

We kick a$$.

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Aug 8, 2012 21:16:41 GMT bloodborne said:

Aug 8, 2012 20:57:02 GMT @60mm said:

You can encircle a Dread with gaunts and force him to fight his way out though haha!

Grot boxing principle, used in reverse! ;D

Technically better than tarpitting the dread in CC with gaunts too, as it leaves them free to shoot other targets (or the dreads rear with appropriate models) while keepin the dread basically imobilized for a bigger nid to make his way over. As long as you don't try it on a dread with flamers you'll be fine, but your gaunts should be nowhere near any of those in the first place.

[Jabberwocky]

Not much help against anything but pure CC dreds though, since they can keep shooting.

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It can keep it from backing away from your Crushigon who is nearby. Obviously not a tactic for every gqme but could be handy.