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Post by Xantige on Apr 28, 2012 20:53:09 GMT
I've taken a little painting break from my bugs to do 5 Ork Boyz. These are the first models outside of the ones I got from AoBR that I'm painting. back when I painted my AoBR ones I barely knew anything about Orks, so as a result, they lack the chipped up paint job, the checks and the triangles and all that stuff. They accidentally came out looking like Evil Suns even though I drew the inspiration for painting them from Star Trek (If you're a red shirt you always die  ). Anyways, I was reading my Ork Codex and I was trying to find some inspiration for this next batch of Orks. I don't know whether I should continue my current paint scheme to a T, or start adding the chips, rust, checks and other markings to the new orks (I won't do it on the old ones or my nids will never get any further along!) Also, I'm still confused as to the differences between a "tribe", a "clan" and a "warband" and stuff like that. I know that the Clans consist of the Evil Sunz, Goffs, etc, but the Code loses me when it tries to explain what a Tribe is and what a Warband is and how the Clans are both separate yet associated with both Tribes and Clans. My question is, what is an Ork army on the table called? A Warband? A Waaagh!? A Tribe? A Clan? Any of the above? I'm trying to wrap my head around it all... Also, what does a typical Ork army look like? Are they supposed to be made up of models painted in each Clan's colours? Are they meant to look like one clan? Are they supposed to be a mix of clans and a custom kustom colour scheme? I know Orks are Orks, and they're meant to be fun and not taken seriously, but I'm debating about what approach I should take with my newer Ork models, whether I should paint them all one scheme or not, and what I should name the entire army... |
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Post by jinx on Apr 28, 2012 21:03:04 GMT
that depends on how you want them,i'd paint rokkits and explosive stuff yellow and paint fast things red (both for obvious reasons  ) but outside of that i wouldn't know,probs black armor with black skin and black weapons/ gear,haven't rlly gotten any further with my AoBR orks(well,i cut off my weapons because they weren't niddy and i needed a bloodbowl team xD) |
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Post by ziyousansz on Apr 28, 2012 21:24:43 GMT
The Waaaagh! is going to be the whole of the ork pilgrimage of death. It's built up of many warbands, lead by different warbosses, who fight amongst themselves for power when they aren't fighting everything else they see. A warband is built of members from the different clans - sometimes an entire clan goes to fight, sometimes just a few go out and fight, but they don't always join the same warboss. So, some Evil Suns may join Rothgut's warband while others may join Snerktoof's. They're in the same clan, but fighting for different warbands. Now, each of these clans pulls its members from different tribes. Orks clump together in similar groups naturally, and tribes are (if memory serves) formed when a group of orks are born without other orks around. It might be feral, or it might not. Most of these will join a clan, but like with warbands, they might not all join the same clan.
In short, a tribe is like an ork family, a clan is like the gang he joins, a warband is like the army he signs into, and the Waaagh! is all of the armies marching off to war.
Your army is going to be part of a warband, or a bunch of freebootaz. Generally orks stick together in groups, and the clans don't all see eye-to-eye, so most ork warbands are built from the same clan. It's not a hard-fast rule, though. As long as you can tell your orks from the other guy's, you're doing all right I think.
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Post by jinx on Apr 28, 2012 21:47:48 GMT
if you paint all your orks in all different schemes,a good basing style could help figure out which are yours,it's easier to find "all those guys with Jungle plants on their bases" than "those guys with an alot of colours mixed in with the enemies"
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Post by Xantige on Apr 28, 2012 22:11:04 GMT
The codex describes a Tribe as being all the Orks in one area I think. So that could include several warbands on a continent, or even an entire planet.
It's still confusing to me.... I thought the clans sort of stayed together, but an Ork can't both be with a Clan and a Warband at the same time, as in, physically there. Or do Clans not have bases/clubs/towns/HQ's? Is the whole "clan" thing just about wearing the colours and keeping the ideals alive within the warband? Are clans more akin to religion than a gang? If it did that would make some sense as to why they're both part of a clan but spread over different Warbands.
So what are Orks that don't wear any of the Clan colours? I know for a fact I'm not the only person with non-clan Orks... is there a fluffy reason for that, or is it just something us Players do?
And what do you call an Ork Army? Do you call it something like "Ghazghkull's Waaagh"? or "Ghazghkull's Warband"? "Warband Ghazghkull"? Or does that sort of strict naming not apply to Orks? I know with Tyranids your army is a "Hive Fleet" or a "Splinter Fleet", so I'm sort of looking at this all as a Nid player...
PS, Identification won't be a problem, my bases are all the same and look rather unique from the majority of bases other players play with, and I also mark the dates of when I completed the model on the bottom, so I just have to flip the models over and look for a date to know it's mine if I ever meet another Ork player with the same scheme and base.
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Post by seahawk on Apr 29, 2012 2:01:01 GMT
Comparison:
1. Week => Day => Hour => Minutes => Seconds
2. WAAAGH! => Warband => Tribes=> Clans => Ork boyz
A Week is made up of Days, Days are made up of Hours, Hours are made up of Minutes, and Minutes are made up of Seconds. A WAAAGH! is made up of Warbands, Warbands are made up of Tribes, Tribes are made up of groups of Clans, and Clans are made up of the individual Boyz in them.
Since the Ork Clan is more a cultural grouping rather than actual community, Orks don't have to be in them, and un-clanned Orks are common enough. They just don't have the same status as Orks in clans.
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Post by The New AIDS on Apr 29, 2012 8:06:42 GMT
Orks without specific clanz are usually freebootaz (pirates, biker/trukkgangs and the like).
Also, an orks colouring (of armour) can have several possiblities. Blue is lucky for Orkz. Some is kunnin' and is kamoflaged. Red is fast. yellow is like gold and means riches (bad moonz, I'm looking at you).
My friends army, Da Purpz, are purple, because purple is a combination of lucky blue and fast red.
Also, Seahawk is right about the Orkz social...stucture (I think). Generally, a bunch of orkz get together to fight in a waaagh. Waaaghs can be formed from one clan, or, as is normally the case, from several. Also tribes are actually smaller than clans. The goffs are a massive interplanetary organisation. A tribe of goffs would be a group of them living on a continent, or a country or something. The Goff clan is basically just a huge group of different orkish tribes that all prescribe to the one ideal (i.e. footslogging). Clans are also ethnic groups. For example, a snakebite thinks differently to a bad moon, and a bad moon genetically produces more teef.
I could go on. A clan is really just a group describing the type of ork, and is kind of a social structure. The tribe is just the group that live somewhere, and a warband is a group of orkz wot followz a boss!
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Post by daboss on Apr 29, 2012 18:19:16 GMT
An entire Waaagh! is usually made up of elements from many clans. They can be any mix of the colors, and even kustom paint schemes. Mine are associated by what they do (trukk boyz red, lootaz blue), but that is probably just from playing Eldar. Anyways, what I am trying to say is that the orks do not have to be one straight scheme, they can be a mix of clans.
The codex shows them all painted as 1 clan, but they generally are not.
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Post by robomummy on Apr 29, 2012 18:40:06 GMT
Orks without specific clanz are usually freebootaz (pirates, biker/trukkgangs and the like). Also, an orks colouring (of armour) can have several possiblities. Blue is lucky for Orkz. Some is kunnin' and is kamoflaged. Red is fast. yellow is like gold and means riches (bad moonz, I'm looking at you). My friends army, Da Purpz, are purple, because purple is a combination of lucky blue and fast red Yellow is shooty, blue is lucky, black is tough, red is fast, purple is sneaky, camoflage is cowardly, green iz best |
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Post by Overread on Apr 29, 2012 19:08:47 GMT
Yellow is shooty, blue is lucky, black is tough, red is fast, purple is sneaky, camoflage is cowardly, green iz best Yellow is tenderized (all that shooty makes them all shaken and tender!) Blue is a bit stale and may contain bits (since generally lucky ones are the old ones who carry a few war wounds and bits of stuff from them ) black is meaty red is stringy purple is a snack (best kept close and ready at a moments pause for a bite) green is nomz |
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Post by seahawk on Apr 29, 2012 21:07:26 GMT
Yes, but most tribes are made up of Orks from different clans . As a way of organization, this is accurate. Another way to compare it might be: USA => States => Cities => Ethnic Groups => You! While the same ethnic group might be represented all over the world, in the city/state/country they are but a small part Personally, I think the best Ork armies are like the olden days: An explosion in a paint factory. A whole riot of colors makes them pleasantly Orky. |
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Post by Xantige on Apr 30, 2012 2:29:19 GMT
Yellow is shooty, blue is lucky, black is tough, red is fast, purple is sneaky, camoflage is cowardly, green iz best Yellow is tenderized (all that shooty makes them all shaken and tender!) Blue is a bit stale and may contain bits (since generally lucky ones are the old ones who carry a few war wounds and bits of stuff from them ) black is meaty red is stringy purple is a snack (best kept close and ready at a moments pause for a bite) green is nomz  That made me have a good laugh! Say what you will about Tyranids, we do eat our greens no matter the colour of the wrapper Personally, I think the best Ork armies are like the olden days: An explosion in a paint factory. A whole riot of colors makes them pleasantly Orky. How do you mean? Was each model coated in a whole rainbow or neon colours? Or do you just mean that all the clans were represented? Or both? |
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Post by The New AIDS on Apr 30, 2012 2:42:37 GMT
No, each Ork, would have had a different uniform.
Seahawk, what I mean is that clans are like the different sects of a religious group. So yes, you are right, they do form on a small scale, but their ideals are larger. If we take a waaagh and treat it as christmas, Catholics (goffs) and Greek orthodox (Speed freekz) have different ways of celebrating it, but both get involved. You can have two clans in one small tribe, but because of idealistic differences and ethnic differences between the Klanz, they are unlikely to gather together in tribes unless they have a reasonably strong warboss. So a Klan is both small and large scale, and a particular way of looking at the ork philosophy of fightin'.
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Post by seahawk on Apr 30, 2012 4:29:37 GMT
Exactly Remember, if a WAAAGH! is occurring, then there already is a strong leadership that's pulling all the Orks together from the various Clanz and tribes. Xantige, what I meant was simply that each unit has its clan colors; this will inevitably lead to much more variation than most other armies. |
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Post by WestRider on May 1, 2012 1:32:36 GMT
Clanz are universal across all of Ork Society, across the whole Galaxy. Bad Moonz from the Eastern Fringe will tend to be pretty much like Bad Moons from the Halo Stars in the far galactic west. Ethnic Groups is a pretty reasonable metaphor to use.
Originally, almost all Orks belonged to a Clan, and most of the exceptions were pretty distinct in some ways (Mad Boyz or Wildboyz or Freebooterz or something). Since 3rd Ed, tho, GW has been moving away from that, and there are now plenty of Orks that don't seem to belong to a Clan, or at least don't identify with one strongly enough to make their Clan affiliation obvious. The previous Ork Dex actually had almost no mention of the Clanz at all.
A Tribe is, yes, all the Orks in a given region. Depending on the circumstances and size of the region in question, multiple smaller Tribes may combine in a single Warband or a single larger Tribe may be split into several (often competing) Warbands.
While a Tribe is (more or less) Orks who live, work, and trade together, a Warband is Orks who fight together. The two groupings can line up pretty much perfectly, or they can vary in a number of ways. A Warband (or usually a smaller part of one, a Proppa Warband is a lot of Orks) is what you set down on the Table as an Ork Player.
A WAAAGH! is a bunch of Warbands loosely united by a single charismatic or forceful Warboss. Usually much more aggressive and active than smaller groupings of Orks.
Clans cut across Tribe and Warband Boundaries. Some Tribes and Warbands are composed only of members of a single Clan, but this is quite rare, and most have at least some mixing.
Really, tho, one of the great things about Orks is that you can do pretty much whatever you want with them, and it'll work. Other than pacifism, it's quite hard to find anything that will actually contradict any of the Canon fluff.
My own Ork Army is mostly Blood Axes and Death Skullz, but I've also got a couple of Trukk Mobz and Wartrakkz painted up as Evil Sunz. It all more or less works together on the table, because I've been careful to keep the skin tones, metallics, basing, and clothing that's not in Clan colours all uniform. It's enough to keep the Army visually unified despite the different colours all over the place.
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