What army to get next?

[orkblasta]

enough about orks do you guys have any ideas about a tau or eldar list that would be cool to play.

[trogdor]

Well you could do a Farsight tau army, or a harlequin troupe eldar force. A force i always wanted to try was an all mech/armour army for tau. Have only fire warriors in devilfish for troops, lots of crisis or stealth suits with a couple hammerheads to finish it off. Another cool idea would be to get normal eldar and convert them into dark eldar actually i want to do that

[Xenos and Proud]

I have a decent eldar army and have found them fun to play if not extremely difficult. They have a very unique playing style as they are very specialized and extremely mobile. My favourite tactic is to have a 10 man (wait no woman) squad of banshees in a Wave serpent that has star engines and spirit stones. This is really awsome as it moves 36'' a turn (24'' flatout skimmer and 12'' for star engines) and gets a 4+ cover save if you do so. Then banshees get out and kill stuff next turn while supported by good weaponry on the wave serpent.

I play a Saim-Hann army as i love the jetbikes. they can move 24'' and get a 3+ cover save if they do so. Also a warlock squad on bikes is amazing as they have a s5 ap4 template power that is really effective when combined with the speed of the bikes. And witchblades are great vs tanks (S9).

Well i could go on but id be here forever. But if your looking for a unique army eldar is the way too go.

[orkblasta]

unfortunately both those army ideas sound really good and I know that should be a good thing but I can only get one of the two armies not both. I know I'll add a pole and ask which one.

[trogdor]

I say get mech/armour tau because it's an enjoyable army to play. Also just my opinion i hate all jetbike armies. Their annoying to fight against and 22pts for a jetbike guardian seems a little much imo.

I'm trying to think of a cool unique army you can do out of tau......

Quick question, do you want to be competitive or just have fun? I think your leaning towards fun because you could just use your SMurfs if you wanna be competitive

[orkblasta]

I'm looking for a fun list. I guess I could to make it competitive but it would pose quite the challenge.

[trogdor]

Weeeeeell fun lists are usually the most un-fluffy stupid things you can think of i think a fun list to try would be a Farsight heavy suit list, complete with the seven samurai [he can take seven bodyguards] deepstrike them and assault the (please do not swear) out of everything and anything and i mean everything even those hormagaunts and khorne berserkers lol

Or if you wanna try and have a fun list but still be competitive you can take lots of hammerheads and suits with fire warriors in devilfishes ande you have an ok chance of winning if you play them right, and it's still fun

Or you could try an all kroot army. Just keep your mandatory commander and fire warrior squad with a couple hammerheads or broadsides then deck out your army with swarms of kroot

[munky42]

Tau Tau Tau
Heres something I recycled from the eldar or tau thread
The battlesuits are awesome and like tyranids can be changed for any purpose. Plasma rifle, burst cannon, missle pods, you name it, battlesuits can also be upgraded to have a support system, such as shield generater (Grants 4+ save), multi tracker (allows you to fire both weapons at the same target), and a target lock (Can fire at a different target than the rest of the unit). Plus the handful of special issue systems Including Extra Armor, and Cyclonic Ion blaster. Another strength lies with markerlights. you can basicly have one unit fire a laser at a unit. It doesn't damage it, it is used to increase accuracy towards that unit. Easy prey for your strength 10 AP 1 railgun. The railgun on the hammerhead tank can also do subshot which is a large blast template, great for taking out hords of troops.

The guns issues to standard infantry is 1 stregth higher than a boltgun, and you get a good deal of range.
They have decent armor saves too.

Stealth teams, the magical stealth teams. Their stealth field generater makes them hard to hit. My favorite tactics with them is deep striking near the infantry (A horde of 30 orks last game) thats firing at my fire warriors, but far enough that the stealth field is effective. That gives them a choice. Fire at the fire warriors that are making at least 12 shots a turn or the stealth team of three making 9 shots each. NOTE: DEEP STRIKING IS A VERY VERY BAD IDEA AGAINST TYRANIDS. ESPECIALLY AS TAU.

Drones are great, whether you add gun drones to a vehicle squad or make the gun drones a fast attack, you can add shield drones to a unit giving a 4+ invulnerable save, a sniper drone that fires rail rifles. NOT RAILGUNS. Or you can use markerlight drones firing markerlights.

A tau army can be made into almost any function. From fighting mechanized armies with their fusion blasters and railguns, or horde/swarm armies with the fire warriors and again, the flexible hammerhead railgun. Pirahna's are great, they can be made into infantry killers with a burst cannon and drones, or can be a super tank hunter with a fusion blaster and smart missiles which do not need a line of sight.

While all this stuff sounds pretty great, there come many downsides. For one, Kroot are pretty suckish in my experience. (Tau players will think I'm cookey). No saves and 3 toughness does not make for durable fighters. Unless you get a shaper, that grants them a whole 6+ save at 1 point.........
per model.

Another thing is that the ballistic skill is not that high, you'd expect that the shooter army of all time would have better aim. Especially since shooting is all they can do.

Armor: Not to great. As most of you know, close combat on a vehicle is resolved on the weakest armor (Which is 10 no matter what tank). But still, Good luck catching up to my Piranah. And the Tanks can be equiped with flechette dischargers that inflict a wound on the roll something to any of the units assaulting No matter the toughness. A must for facing any close combat army.
Just wanting to clarify

Tau aren't not "Really" communists
Communism is where everybody is given a job
and there are no social classes. While as Tau, there are social classes. The 5 castes. Fire, the warriors
Water, the Diplomats
Earth, the civilization and laborers
air, the pilots
and ethereals the the leaders

These are social classes,
and if there weren't social classes
Everybody would be a Shas'ui in the fire caste

[trogdor]

Um ok i disagree with a bunch of stuff in their but im not gonna get into it

Orkblasta, a pretty fun army list you could try is the shadowsun-ethereal gun line. Pretty much you get your gun line setup, have your ethereal run in and get killed, and use shadowsuns command bubble to make sure your troops don't fail morale. I have never tried it but supposedly it works alright

[orkblasta]

munky42: Thats a lot of advice but it's all good and I do believe you stated the very reason why I wish to collect tau, they are quite customizable to fight anything.

trogdor: I've heard of that tactic but I've never been able to find out exactly what it does and how good it is. Does anyone here have more information on this tactic?

I think the odds in favor tau but that could change.

[trogdor]

Well essentially the shadowsun ethereal gunline involves using lots of fire warriors, broadsides and XV8's all set up into a gunline. Essentially you run your ethereal straight at the enemy where he will get killed quickly. You position shadowsun near your most valuable units like broadsides, so your ethereal dies you roll the morale test and gain shadowsuns ld to everything within 18". Your army that isn't falling back now gains preffered enemy.

I've never tried it myself as i hate ethereals and shadowsun but ya it seems fairly decent.

Another awesome tactic is Farsight and his seven samurai. Farsight can have 7 xv8 bodyguards, so essentially you kit them all out with 2 shield drones, plasma/fusion,TA and a multitracker and you have one of the toughest ubits in the game. Personally i throw a couple ML drones in their instead of TA as i usually stick a pos. relay in their too

[orkblasta]

the gunline sounds sweet but risky on the other hand the idea of having farsight with that kind of fire in a single unit sounds intensely awesome. If I get tau I will definitely include that unit choice in my army.

[genesis]

i hate tau...... Tau is a bit of a "Cheater" in my opinion most of my friend in my gaming club hates tau.... Cheap fire warriors have a 30" gun? WTF!!! Well if you want to make it a different army then start a CC tau, lots of kroots, krootox, etc..... My friend plays a CC tau army, that army kill marines and even a LICTOR.....

[orkblasta]

What is included in a close combat tau army? besides kroot.

[stealershock]

Go nidzilla but wait till the new codex to see how carnifexes change